2.4.5.a.20200110.1421 and earlier: High CPU usage from pfctl
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I cant get an 2.4.5 installed in a VM.
It always says no boot loader....
To get a Pfsense going, I needed to use 2.4.4p3 and then upgrade.
I havent tried installing it on 1 core VM yet. Only 32 cores as it was before...
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@Cool_Corona if using hyper-v, Disable "Secure Boot" to fix that issue. Or switch to a Gen1 VM. the 2.4.5 iso boots fine in gen2 hyper-v vm when secure boot is disabled.
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I run it on ESXi.... :)
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Great suggestion, a fresh install of 2.4.5 on my Proxmox VM 2 sockets, 2 cores 8GB RAM. Should have tried it sooner.
Initial tests (filter reload, manual drop of gateways for failover) have yielded positive results. CPU spiked, pfctl did it's thing and returned to running levels. There was no detectable loss of connection anywhere on the network, a seamless swap.
It would seem @carl2187 is on to something with the problem only existing from an upgrade and not a fresh install. Plus, my config was restored from an upgraded 2.4.4p3 to 2.4.5 system (as my non-upgraded 2.4.4 backups were quite dated). Boot speed appears to be comparable if not the same to 2.4.4 as well.
I'm going to run this for now, continue with load tests and see what happens.
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@Uncle_Bacon good to hear your getting going again with a clean install. It seems like clean install is the only way to go right now for 2.4.5.
There's something really wrong somewhere on the file-system or boot config post-upgrade to 2.4.5 that doesn't occur in a clean install of 2.4.5.
I have an upgraded-broken 2.4.5 and a clean install of 2.4.5 where both have now been factory reset. Upgraded VM has the issue, clean install does not have the issue, even after the factory reset. I'm going to try to compare file system contents and boot loader settings to see if something didn't actually get upgraded during the 2.4.4->2.4.5 upgrade process.
Just this morning I got report of "intermittent" outages in a branch office that was upgraded to 2.4.5 about a week ago. I jumped on the gui, did a filter reload, lost all connection for about 20 seconds, that's all i need to see to know this is the botched upgrade condition. So I exported the config, re-installed clean 2.4.5, imported the config, now things are perfect. I can't cause the issue on this VM anymore. Same VM, same PFsense version, same config, but upgrade to 2.4.5=bad. Clean install of 2.4.5=good.
So I've done lots of tests, now the first "production" issue I had to help with, and the fix was exactly the same as the labs i've been testing in. Upgrades to 2.4.5 can cause full CPU/outages. Clean installs of 2.4.5 seem to work great with any imported config.
Its important for anyone else troubleshooting this issue to know that "clean install" really means full format and re-install from ISO. A factory reset after the issue is present is NOT enough to clear out this bug. Even default config will have this problem after the upgrade and factory reset. It seems something is different between upgraded instances and clean installs of 2.4.5 at the file system or bootloader level.
In attempting to accurately re-create the scenario that leads to this problem, i find out i can't actually download old versions of PFsense. It really is too bad Netgate stopped allowing downloads of previous version ISO's, it makes troubleshooting this type of upgrade issue in a lab very difficult. The community has been effectively disallowed to help effectively troubleshoot the underlying issue here.
https://forum.netgate.com/topic/135395/where-to-download-old-versions -
@carl2187 I think this might be a false flag because I did a fresh install on hyper-v and that was when I noticed the long reboot time started.
My old install that was based on upgrading to the RCs and then finally the Release version had less problems.
My fresh install hangs at “Mounting filesystems . . .” for 30 seconds. Net boot time averages about 2 minutes.
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We need to dig deeper. ESXi, Hyper-V and Proxmox...
How do they differ in regards to this??
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@IsaacFL In my use case, I don't consider 2 minutes to be very long at all. I don't get the 30 second mounting time like you. Most of my boot time is used by the firewall but I do have many rules on many VLANs. I timed it with a stopwatch and from power on to being able to login to the GUI was 1:20, and to boot complete was 2:01.
Specs on the host for reference:
CPU(s): 40 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz (2 Sockets)
RAM: 192GB
Kernel Version: Linux 5.3.18-2-pve (modified Ubuntu)
PVE Manager: pve-manager/6.1-8/806edfe1 -
Mounting filesystem has had 30 sec delay for many versions, especially if using zfs. This is not the issue I'm worried about nor reporting on and testing.
To find out if this upgrade bug affects you, go run a constant ping (-t) to your pfsense ip, then do a filter reload. If you get 20 seconds of no response, you have the upgrade bug.
This upgrade bug has been seen on Hyper-v and proxmox, it may not be specific to a specific hypervisor at all. It may affect physical hardware too. Too early to say.
But my experience is that at 1min 4sec after boot, the filesystem mount is done, bootup totally done at about 1:55. This is consistent across many of my deployed systems accross many versions of pfsense, all use zfs.
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We're narrowing in on what the problem is. It's easiest to trigger with
pfctlloading large tables (not flushing or updating, but adding), though it does not actually seem to bepfitself to blame. Current theory is a problem with allocation of large chunks of kernel memory, but we're still debugging.On an affected system you can trigger it manually by doing this:
Flush a large table first:
# pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T flushLoad the table contents (this is where the huge delay happens):
# pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6Compare with updating an existing table which is also fast by running the same command again:
# pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6Different systems are impacted in different ways. Hyper-V seems to be the worst, with the whole system becoming unresponsive for 30-60s even at the console. Proxmox is similar but not quite as bad. Some systems only see high
pfctlusage and some slowness but are otherwise responsive. All that said, most of the systems in our lab show no symptoms whatsoever, which is why it's been difficult to track down. -
tested it on my esxi but no problem,
tested on hyperv under windows 10, i have no problem with 1 cpu, with 2 cpu or more it completely freeze the vm
the boot process is overall slow, it stuck for some times to "configuring firewall..." , but it eventually complete the process but it freeze again when it reach the console menu -
@kiokoman said in 2.4.5.a.20200110.1421 and earlier: High CPU usage from pfctl:
tested it on my esxi but no problem,
tested on hyperv under windows 10, i have no problem with 1 cpu, with 2 cpu or more it completely freeze the vm
the boot process is overall slow, it stuck for some times to "configuring firewall..." , but it eventually complete the process but it freeze again when it reach the console menuMultiple CPUs appears to be one major contributing factor, but not all multi-core/multi-CPU configurations are affected. I don't think anyone has seen it on a single core system.
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Same here with Hyper-V, server 2019.
6 cores, jimp commands kills my firewall for 30-45 seconds. -
on my "bad" upgraded to 2.4.5 systems, the @jimp commands listed do indeed cause the problem to manifest right away, same as doing "filter reload" from the gui. 20-30 second full lockup.
Re-installing a clean build of 2.4.5 on the SAME "bad" system fixes the issue entirely. @jimp commands no longer cause any trouble, and the "filter reload" doesn't cause any trouble.
So this bug really isn't a matter of hyper-v, or proxmox, or CPU counts and voodoo. This is something that is different at the kernel/filesystem level of an upgrade vs a clean install. Config doesn't matter either, upgraded with the problem, then factory reset, the problem still exists. Clean install and format, no problem, import config, still no problem.
Clean installs do not have this issue, this indicates that fundamentally 2.4.5 is working great on all systems when it is installed "correctly". At this time the only SURE way to get a "correct" 2.4.5 install is to do a clean install and not an upgrade.
The fact that "Different systems are impacted in different ways" is a false path, because the bug shouldn't exist on any system to begin with, and even "affected systems" like hyper-v, are actually NOT affected at all when a clean-format install of 2.4.5 is done.
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And that assertion is demonstrably incorrect as the only place I can replicate the bug is on a fresh installation in Hyper-V.
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If you are testing with bogons, the difference is probably that on a fresh install the bogon lists aren't populated yet until the first bogon update. Manually update bogons and try that again.
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sounds good will try that and see, i hope your wrong because your implying my currently "good" 2.4.5 systems will essentially self-destruct once they update their bogon list. :)
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So I've tried on my fresh 2.4.5 with config restored from old "affected" 2.4.5 install. Those commands produce an increase in CPU certainly but no loss of connection/complete lockup. System returns to normal within seconds. The table I used has just shy of 130,000 addresses.
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@jimp uh oh, looks like your spot on in your analysis. manually updating the bogon list has now brought the bug into my once-working clean install 2.4.5 environments.
so my statement of "only a clean install doesn't have the bug" is true, BUT only until the bogon list updates automatically ;)
The bogon file is present already after an upgrade, so that explains the false trail that I was on.
Good news is this lends a workaround to anyone with this problem, delete the bogon file for now and you'll be ok for a little while again, could get really aggressive and disable the update bogon script if really necessary for production right now.
Thanks for setting us up on the right track @jimp and hopefully we can find a fix for this pfctl table flush/add problem.
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@carl2187 said in 2.4.5.a.20200110.1421 and earlier: High CPU usage from pfctl:
Good news is this lends a workaround to anyone with this problem, delete the bogon file for now and you'll be ok for a little while again, could get really aggressive and disable the update bogon script if really necessary for production right now
Or just disable bogon blocking on all interfaces. Though a fair amount of people are not using bogons but pfBlockerNG features which use large tables, and those would need to be disabled instead.
