be honest are you worried about corona
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Stephen is right, let's maintain the off-topic discussion to general information and leave the political matter to others forum.
the situation is similar to what we have here, we have 3 regions highly impacted but all the nation is on lockdown, but that was necessary to prevent the virus from spreading out of these regions. most of the other regions' infection was due to people migrating back to home from nord Italy to south Italy.
I'm sure that everyone saw all the trucks that were starting from Bergamo full of corpses, that was an isolated case, with this I don't want to minimize the problem, but I suppose it's the same situation on new york and in other highly populated areas. -
I hope this disease has a cure soon. I live in New York and the situation here is delicate. Take care of yourselves
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@stephenw10 @bmeeks Disappointing that there is a "side" to this. There is nothing remaining that hasn't been turned into a divisive issue, a culture war. Even knowable facts are argued about and ever more ridiculous lies told to obfuscate reality. Shameful what has become of our public discourse.
I have no doubt that someone will now argue that it isn't "our" public discourse but only that of the "other".
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I hate this covid-19 because i lost god job when this pandemia has started, i think that this virus has caused many problems to everyone without infecting them - it just has destroyed our lives
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Unemployment figures are likely to get worse, too. I have read that those employees that are in a "furloughed" status are still counted as "employed" in the weekly figures. The stock market is social distancing from reality, mos def.
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<RANT>I'm much more worried about where this is all heading. When it first started, there was no information, but now that it has been going for several months the indication is that the elderly/vulnerable need to take precautions and the rest of the world needs to get back to living.
The Censorship is equally troubling. Truth will survive any amount of debate/questioning - Lies/BS fall apart. The FDA/CDC/Big Pharma all have a history of criminal behavior and as such need a level of scrutiny and oversight at a much higher level than is currently happening. (No one in their right mind would allow a pedophile to be in the presence of children unless that person was very closely supervised!)
The undisputed facts that the last two generations of children have allergies, autoimmune diseases, and developmental issues that were very rare 50 years ago and parents bring healthy children in for vaccination and within a very short period of time the child's health degenerates and the medical trade dismisses them indicate something is severely wrong with medical care today.
It would appear that the agenda is to sell vaccines. By definition a new vaccine will not have time to undergo long term testing and may well kill many times more people than the virus while Big Pharma Executives line their product.
Bottom line health care needs to be much more Open Source!</RANT>
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Vaccination .... true, that would be great.
And while they are at it, is there news from the AIDS, Influenze, Yellow fever, Dengue and the Hepatitis family front ? Just to name a few.
Oh... hundred of billion $(€) have already been invested but nada ... ... several hundreds of millions died already. More bearable because it happens mostly "elsewhere", or because we get used to it ?A vaccin isn't always found ...
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@Gertjan said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Vaccination .... true, that would be great.
And while they are at it, is there news from the AIDS, Influenze, Yellow fever, Dengue and the Hepatitis family front ? Just to name a few.
Oh... hundred of billion $(€) have already been invested but nada ... ... several hundreds of millions died already. More bearable because it happens mostly "elsewhere", or because we get used to it ?A vaccin isn't always found ...
Just to be clear my stance is not to push a vaccine... in fact as you said lots of money/effort has been focused on other illnesses without positive results. My point is that I don't want to see millions of people (myself included) forced to be guinea pigs for the pharmaceutical industry. Legally prescribed drugs kill more Americans every year than 911, while other cheap/effective solutions for many chronic conditions are actively denigrated.
I just watched a program about COVID and the vastly different conditions in NY, vs NH. Population density/influx of travellers clearly had a huge impact, but from what I observed in that documentary the health (due to poor economic status and/or unhealthy lifestyle) of a vast majority of the people was poor - malnutrition, morbid obesity and likely a lot of other "non-visible" issues because they can't afford health care--that's what lead to a much higher death rate.
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What do u think now still a little bit .
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@habil said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Given that we don't have refrigerator trucks full of bodies, I'm getting less worried.
The WHO can't even get their story straight..... anything other than the party line gets censored.... my BS meter is going off!
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i hope people that all of you are healthy and will never get infected by corona but its not a joke see the brazil news - during one days 46 000 people have got sick with covid-19!!
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Worldwide, 10M cases, 500K deaths. That's a 5% fatality rate.
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@provels said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Worldwide, 10M cases, 500K deaths. That's a 5% fatality rate.
I can divide in my head! Still a rolling first wave.This article from Nature dated from June 16 of this year pegs the IFR number at 1% or less, with the generally agreed upon consensus being between 0.5% and 1%. This jives with several other stories I've found on the web.
The true fatality rate calculation must take into affect all cases and not just those hospitalized or just those that have actually been tested. So that means there is some "slack" in the IFR (infection fatality rate) number because you have to estimate how many folks had the virus, recovered and were never tested nor hospitalized. Also have to tally up those asymptomatic folks (the ones who have or had the virus but no symptoms). The antibody tests are uncovering more and more asymptomatic folks.
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One million plus people die a year from diseases spread via mosquito bites. Why are they not requiring everyone to wear mosquito nets?
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Because Malaria, Dengue, etc are not human to human contagious.
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@jwj said in be honest are you worried about corona:
Because Malaria, Dengue, etc are not human to human contagious.
Will you wouldn't need mosquito nets for human to human contact.. My point is why are they not as worried about something that is clearly killing allot of people?!? How about the 200,000+ people a year killed by mistakes in the hospitals? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
This all seems like a big exercise in control to me. Yes it is dangerous to certain people. But never before have healthy people been quarantined due to a pandemic. In fact after the flu pandemic of 1918-1920 it was decided by medical experts at the time that outdoor hospitals would be used to help people have fresh air and sunlight to help kill off the spread. So why did the governments tell people they should stay inside with their stagnant air and not recommend that they turn on every exhaust fan they have in the house 24/7?
If your worried then by all means do everything you can to avoid other people. But by all means get out in the open and get some sunlight whenever possible.
I guess what Im saying is that I am no more worried about this than I am anything else. And Im not gonna let it stress me out.
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"My point is why are they not as worried about something that is clearly killing allot of people?!?"
You're trying to appear like you have some knowledge in this area. You clearly don't. Do you live in a place with endemic malaria? Dengue? Have you ever seen someone with Malaria? I have. I have spent the better part of 2 decades working with populations that do live with the risk of mosquito born disease. Cambodia, Laos, Burma. Enormous amounts of money and time are spent on mosquito born disease.
You also appear to be motivated by other things than facts based on your signature, so I'll add you to my ignore list from here on.
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No worries. I won't let that stress me out either.
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@chpalmer said in be honest are you worried about corona:
This all seems like a big exercise in control to me. Yes it is dangerous to certain people. But never before have healthy people been quarantined due to a pandemic. In fact after the flu pandemic of 1918-1920 it was decided by medical experts at the time that outdoor hospitals would be used to help people have fresh air and sunlight to help kill off the spread. So why did the governments tell people they should stay inside with their stagnant air and not recommend that they turn on every exhaust fan they have in the house 24/7?
If your worried then by all means do everything you can to avoid other people. But by all means get out in the open and get some sunlight whenever possible.
I guess what Im saying is that I am no more worried about this than I am anything else. And Im not gonna let it stress me out.
@chpalmer -- I tend to agree. I am concerned that we don't get any details on what a "Case" is. Frail old/sick people, people who have mild to moderate symptoms are very different from a practical matter. If you look at this www you tube com / watch?v=kIngGuof9E0 ... and it seems quite credible, a lot of the excess deaths might be due to mismanagement of treatment.
The collective "We" need to wake up "think", "question" and "debate". Unfortunately as a profession medicine has a tendency to be dictatorial and arrogant. Some doctors report having success with hydroxichloriquine, (a drug which can be dangerous in some cases/wrong dose/etc.), but instead of conducting a study to find out how to make it work, there appears to be active sabotage www you tube com / watch?v=q41F11PzB-A to push Vaccines as our "only salvation".
The same media that spouts "Hydroxychloroquine too risky", in the next breath is pushing an experimental vaccine that may have far worse consquences for humanity just doesn't make sense except if it is propaganda to sell vaccines and make buckets of money for the promoters.
For anyone who cares to educate themself I would recommend that you google "Suzanne Humphries". She has a lot of good research (from peer reviewed sources), she talks about the immune system, how vaccines work, the medical literature that is there that is being ignored etc. Blindly trusting the FDA/CDC/WHO - who have all been found guilty of malfeasance over the years without transparancy is like letting pedofiles ran a day care unsupervised!
History has shown that kernels of truth emerge long before the masses (an the power groups) are willing to accept it. I beleive Galileo was just recently (within the last 10 years) pardoned for having the audacity to challange the orthodox wisdom and suggest that the earth revolves around the sun, and that the earth was not the centre of the universe. Truth survives in the light, lies don't.
If everyone educates themself and influences those within their immediate sphere of influence we can create change.
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China seals off county of 400K people. Just for fun, I guess.
