FreeBSD 7.2 and 8 Questions



  • I can't figure out where to put this thread so… apologies if this seems off-topic;

    I'm assuming 1.2.3 is locked and loaded in FreeBSD 7.1 forever but..., Will 2.0 migrate to FreeBSD 7.2 BEFORE migrating to FreeBSD 8.x sometime in the near future?

    I'm specifically interested in the Atheros AR5416 Wireless-N support  in 7.2 and Equal Cost Multipath Routing due out in FreeBSD8.

    Any comments from the devs on what ECMP might mean for load balancing and source routing once the 8 tree matures?  Are there any plans currently being built around 8 for new features?  Is there a roadmap that I missed somewhere on the website?

    Just curious, not complaining.  It seems ECMP could solve some design problems for features people have requested in the past but seemed to large to tackle at the time.

    Thanks in advance for any comments or pearls from the future.


  • Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate

    Funny you should ask, FreeBSD7 based builds of HEAD were being switched over to FreeBSD 7.2 yesterday. There are still some issues with some patches, iirc, but it is in progress.

    See here for more:
    https://rcs.pfsense.org/projects/pfsense-tools



  • I'd personally expect that if 2.0 is being developed under 7.x that it's unlikely that it'll be migrated to 8.x.  More likely another revision would be released given that the major version jump for an OS often means major changes under the hood.


  • Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate

    @Cry:

    I'd personally expect that if 2.0 is being developed under 7.x that it's unlikely that it'll be migrated to 8.x.  More likely another revision would be released given that the major version jump for an OS often means major changes under the hood.

    It is being switched to 8, but there are some blocking issues that have prevented a total switchover. There are snapshots being built for 7 and 8 right now.

    8-CURRENT is still fluctuating a lot, and it's panic'd my test box now and then, but the 7 builds have their own issues, too…



  • I'm surprised, and impressed - that's a brave target ;)


  • Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate

    @Cry:

    I'm surprised, and impressed - that's a brave target ;)

    8.0 is currently set for an August release, so it should be stabilizing more and more over the next few months. Some of the new features will be great (VAPs, for one), and worth the trouble in the long run.



  • If anyone is interested or hasn't seen this post: http://twitter.com/sullrich/status/1553203764



  • Hello,

    sorry for jumping in. it might be kinda off topic but, I'm currently running 7.1 based snap then, just wondering whether I can move to 8.x snaps by just applying auto-update or need to be doing fresh install using 8.x iso ??? Any thoughts appreciated.

    cheers,


  • Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate

    nocer,

    You can move to 8 by using an update file for 8. That works fine. You don't need to reinstall or anything.

    I've even gone from 1.2.x to 2.0/8, albeit with some quirks, but it didn't need reinstalled.



  • @jimp:

    nocer,

    You can move to 8 by using an update file for 8. That works fine. You don't need to reinstall or anything.

    So where are the 8 tarballs?  You haven't told anyone where to find the 8 tarballs…

    Now if http://snapshots.pfsense.org/FreeBSD7/HEAD/ is the current 7 tree then...
    what happens if you replace the 7 with an 8 ???

    (Does that at least give you a clueon, Jingo?)


  • Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate

    Actually, if you go to:

    http://snapshots.pfsense.org/

    Perhaps you'll get a raging clue.

    Not sure why the old updates disappeared. I haven't tried the ones that are there now. FreeBSD 8-CURRENT is still a moving target, so it may not build for a while if the sources for 8 are broken.



  • And I guess I still need some clarification since updates in 7 and 8 Head and Releng12 have me (and some others) confused;

    -Is 1.2.3 being updated to FreeBSD7.2?
    (Or would this be a 1.2.4 release, if it happened at all?)

    -Is 2.0 going to 7.2 and the dev team is simply having problems with patches?
    (I assume that the answer to this is "yes" as /FreeBSD7/HEAD has been quiet since the seventh.)

    -And 8's all smurfy and that's ultimately where 2.0 is going to see the bulk of its development?  Yes?

    I'm just trying to figure out what's gonnna happen in /FreeBSD7/HEAD and /FreeBSD8/HEAD so that I can explain it to others.

    Thanks in advance.



  • @jimp:

    Actually, if you go to:

    http://snapshots.pfsense.org/

    Perhaps you'll get a raging clue.

    Not sure why the old updates disappeared. I haven't tried the ones that are there now. FreeBSD 8-CURRENT is still a moving target, so it may not build for a while if the sources for 8 are broken.

    Yeah, I'm familiar with snapshots, thanks.  But I've got people asking ME questions about where the OS is going and I don't have a clue or a roadmap….  I just figure it out by watching the daily builds.  But I'm getting tired of watching 1.2.3 just because there's too much to do to run a production and 3 test firewalls.  A simple, "here's where I think we're going" would be great!


  • Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate

    Take all this with a grain of salt since this is just from talking with the devs in general and not solid information from direct questions.

    As far as I know, 1.2.3 is staying on 7.1, and I'm not sure there will be a 1.2.4, though it's likely. If that's the case, then it would probably be based on 7.2. That depends on when some kind of timetable evolves for 2.0. There is at least one person who has an experimental build of 1.2.3 based on 7.2, but as 1.2.3 is already in the release candidate stage that may be too drastic of a change unless there is some blocking bug that necessitates the jump.

    The FreeBSD 8 builds of 2.0 are the future, but are still even more experimental than usual. There is some work involved before they will be as stable as the FreeBSD 7 based builds.

    The FreeBSD 7 builds are moving to 7.2, but I'm not sure that is why there have not been any snapshots this week. I haven't heard one way or the other. I believe these are only sticking around since the builds on 8 aren't so solid yet. People can work on code that isn't directly tied to the OS, or use it in semi-production environments that need the new features, etc. I'll see if I can check on why there are no snaps for that.



  • @jimp:

    Take all this with a grain of salt since this is just from talking with the devs in general and not solid information from direct questions.

    Yep.  I know how it goes.  Several grains of salt taken.  And thank you.  Your answers are pretty much just what I needed.  Especially about the 7 builds being broken for the last week.

    Now if I can just make some other people read this thread and stop bugging me about it….



  • Hello,

    Thank you jimp, yours really helps me to move on…snaps are taking a nap now tho... :) I will give it a try once snaps are back again.

    cheers,


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