Abusive op problem on #pfsense@freenode

foxide

I do not at all understand how having reasonable opinions regarding ZFS is considered trolling, here. If MTecknology is going to have +o, then he needs a refresher in how to properly use it.

16:48 <foxide> there is no reason to use zfs unless you're trying to do raid
16:49 <foxide> For a single disk, especially on something small, zfs is a complete waste.
16:49 <dmcc> Oh really? I though ZFS was more tolerant to power loss etc
16:49 <foxide> No, they're both about the same in single disk scenarios. UFS is journalled and pretty damn robust.
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17:45 <zapotah> also, single disk zfs is useless
17:45 <peerce> not completely, it has snapshots
17:45 <zapotah> pfft
17:45 <[R]> well, you get to say you use the zed file system...
17:45 <peerce> and all the datasets on the single idsk pool share freespace so you don't run out of room in one when you have plenty of room in another
17:46 <zapotah> i dont trust online snapshots for anything more than data retention
17:46 <peerce> freenas uses them on the boot volume before updating, so each previous version is saved as a snapshot
17:46 <zapotah> and if theres a db involved, not even for that
17:47 <peerce> zfs snapshots are truly atomic, and work great with databases
17:49 <zapotah> peerce: dbs and block/filesystem snapshots are not a good combo
17:49 <zapotah> ever
17:50 <zapotah> there is nothing that will change my mind on that
17:50 <foxide> The only way to achieve an atomic snapshot is to quiesce the entire filesystem. No fucking thank you.
17:51 <foxide> Maybe for a desktop or something, but not for a live system with anything I care about.
17:51 <peerce> zfs is copy-on-write
17:51 <peerce> its not copying anything when it takes a snapshot, justt setting a transaction marker
17:51 <foxide> I am abundantly aware of what ZFS is.
17:51  * MTecknology groans
17:52 <peerce> I started testing zfs when it first came out with Solaris 10 update 1, and by Update 4 had converted all my Sun stuff to using it exclusively.
17:52 <foxide> cool story, bro
17:52 <peerce> that was like 10+ years ago, never had a zfs system crash on me short of catastrophic hardware failure
17:52 <foxide> anecdata
17:53 -- Mode #pfsense [+o MTecknology] by ChanServ
17:53 <zapotah> zfs is truly resilient when done right
17:53 <foxide> Oh, absolutely. But its not a panacea.
17:53 <@MTecknology> foxide: Do you have something useful to contribute or are you just trolling?
17:53 <zapotah> not quite ceph but its good
17:54 <zapotah> but as a simple and low level data integrity retaining solution, its good
17:54 <zapotah> i dont value the other features of it to any real degree tbh
17:55 <foxide> MTecknology: Excuse me? Not sure why you're popping off at me, I haven't said anything inaccurate.
17:55 <@MTecknology> 22:53 < foxide> Oh, absolutely. But its not a panacea.
17:55 <@MTecknology> 22:52 < foxide> anecdata
17:55 <foxide> I was responding to 17:53 <zapotah> zfs is truly resilient when done right
17:56 <@MTecknology> Again... share something useful or stop trolling.
17:56 <zapotah> and hes not incorrect :P
17:56 <foxide> The fuck is your problem?
17:56 <@MTecknology> zfs has issues, but this is just garbage statements
17:56 <mybalzitch> foxide: just MTecknology flexing
17:56 <foxide> Oh, sorry, didn't realize Oracle paid you.
17:56 -- Mode #pfsense [+q foxide!*@*] by MTecknology
17:56 <@MTecknology> fuck off twat
17:57 <@MTecknology> I do not like zfs, but I'm not going to entertain trolling
17:57 -- Mode #pfsense [-o MTecknology] by ChanServ

sheptard

yeah, MTecknology loves to bust out the ban hammer very frequently depending on their mood. I'm not sure why the employee(s) in IRC ever gave this person power, he doesn't handle it well, maybe they thought they'd be better than nothing?

foxide

Yeah, and I'm still +q'd. Whoever actually runs that channel needs to handle him. Power-tripping ops drag things down pretty fast.

A Former User

This has been handled. MTecknology is no longer an op, and @foxide has been unquieted.

foxide

@mspears Thanks for helping out, really appreciate it.