XG-1537 SFP+ 10GBASE-T module to 1Gbps client has effect on ingress/egress depending

seanstewart

If I use both the LAN and the WAN on the SFP+ ports:

WAN 1Gbps modem → (ethernet cable) → 10GBASE-T SFP+ Adaptor
10GBASE-T SFP+ Adaptor → (ethernet cable) → LAN 1Gbps switch

... initiating a UDP speed test seems to be able to deliver a file from the firewall to a client on the LAN at ~12Mbps. Otherwise there is tons of packet loss.

# iperf3 -c 10.0.1.13 -u -b 1000M -i 1 -l 16000
warning: UDP block size 16000 exceeds TCP MSS 1460, may result in fragmentation / drops
Connecting to host 10.0.1.13, port 5201
[  5] local 10.0.1.1 port 32349 connected to 10.0.1.13 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Total Datagrams
[  5]   0.00-1.00   sec   119 MBytes   999 Mbits/sec  7807  
[  5]   1.00-2.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec  7814  
[  5]   2.00-3.00   sec   119 MBytes  1000 Mbits/sec  7811  
[  5]   3.00-4.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec  7813  
[  5]   4.00-5.00   sec   119 MBytes  1000 Mbits/sec  7811  
[  5]   5.00-6.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec  7813  
[  5]   6.00-7.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec  7815  
[  5]   7.00-8.00   sec   119 MBytes  1000 Mbits/sec  7811  
[  5]   8.00-9.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec  7814  
[  5]   9.00-10.00  sec   119 MBytes  1000 Mbits/sec  7810  
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate         Jitter    Lost/Total Datagrams
[  5]   0.00-10.00  sec  1.16 GBytes  1000 Mbits/sec  0.000 ms  0/78119 (0%)  sender
[  5]   0.00-10.03  sec  16.5 MBytes  13.8 Mbits/sec  0.055 ms  72141/73222 (99%)  receiver

iperf Done.

Going in the other direction from 1Gbps LAN client to the firewall gets ~10% packet loss, which is I believe expected.

stephenw10

That's not good if it thinks there's a 10G connection. Is the modem actually negotiating?

I would try setting it to 1G fixed in pfSense.

You might also try disabling flow-control. At 1G that's not normally an issue though.

Do you see errors in Status > Interfaces?

Steve

seanstewart

@stephenw10

That's not good if it thinks there's a 10G connection. Is the modem actually negotiating?

The modem (MB8600) thinks it's got a 1GbE connection: it has a green LED for the downlink status indicator.
If I LAGG two ports, the indicator turns blue, indicating 2x 1GbE connections, bonded.

The Unifi switch reads 1,000 FDX UPLINK on the uplink port.

I would try setting it to 1G fixed in pfSense.

The only supported media for ix0 is:

supported media:
    media autoselect
    media 10Gbase-SR

Do you think this 10gtek module is for some reason not backwards compatible?
Is there another way I can advertise a different transfer rate?

You might also try disabling flow-control. At 1G that's not normally an issue though.

Flow control was disabled both at the interface-level and even system wide during boot-up. <rxpause,txpause> both disappear when disabled.
Sigh, the issue still happens, but yeah, that was a clever idea.
I even disabled it for whatever reason on both igb interfaces too.

Do you see errors in Status > Interfaces?

Hm, I get a few around the same count for each of the 10GBASE-T interfaces (wan and lan).

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There are a good deal of gateway errors (hundreds) from dpinger; no routing errors.

Feb 7 18:18:19	dpinger	87643	send_interval 500ms loss_interval 2000ms time_period 60000ms report_interval 0ms data_len 1 alert_interval 1000ms latency_alarm 500ms loss_alarm 20% dest_addr [redacted] bind_addr [redacted] identifier "WAN_DHCP "
Feb 7 18:18:18	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:17	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:17	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:16	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:15	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:15	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:14	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:14	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:13	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:13	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:12	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65
Feb 7 18:18:12	dpinger	56375	WAN_DHCP [redacted]: sendto error: 65

There doesn't seem to be anything scary / horrific being reported from the kernel.

$ dmesg | grep ^ix
ix0: <Intel(R) PRO/10GbE PCI-Express Network Driver> mem 0xf9a00000-0xf9bfffff,0xf9c04000-0xf9c07fff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci4
ix0: Using 2048 TX descriptors and 2048 RX descriptors
ix0: Using 8 RX queues 8 TX queues
ix0: Using MSI-X interrupts with 9 vectors
ix0: allocated for 8 queues
ix0: allocated for 8 rx queues
ix0: Ethernet address: [redacted[
ix0: netmap queues/slots: TX 8/2048, RX 8/2048

Perhaps I should return the 10gtek module and try a different brand to further control variables?
Honestly, I'm fully out of ideas :(

stephenw10

The fact the interface does not reflect the link type is not good. Hard to knopw what's happening there really. I would want something that show 1000base-T if that's how it's connected.
It's showing 10Gbase-SR which means it's not really communicating with the module as expected. I would try a different module if you can.
I'm assuming the switch is not in between the modem and XG-1537.

Steve

seanstewart

Thank you @stephenw10 for the guidance.
I appreciate the extra set of eyes and insight.

I would want something that show 1000base-T if that's how it's connected. It's showing 10Gbase-SR which means it's not really communicating with the module as expected. I would try a different module if you can.

I've ordered a different brand (FS.com) 10GBASE-T SFP+ module, whose datasheet specifically calls out 1000BASE-T backwards compatibility. Users there report this functionality appears to work for them, which may be promising.

I'm assuming the switch is not in between the modem and XG-1537.

Correct. One ix port leads to the modem; the other port leads to the LAN switch.

I've swapped things back to using the igb ports; once the new modules appear, I'll report my findings here.

Thanks!

seanstewart

@stephenw10

Well, no luck, but I did figure out what's going on.
TLDR: The Intel FBSD driver simply won't support my use case.

I fixed the problem by throwing more money at it: upgraded my Unifi switch to one that has SFP+ ports and I just use a DAC now and life is fine.

Two New Modules for Testing

Two more SFP+ 10Gbase-T modules were tested from varying trusted vendors.
Their chipsets both support multi-mode (they support SFP and SFP+).
They also advertise support for 100M/1G/2.5G/5G/10G over-copper data rates.

No luck in the Netgate appliance: same behaviour on uplink speeds.
I only see autonegotiate and 10Gbase-SR in the rate dropdown.

Unifi Software Works

Strangely, the new Unifi switch with SFP+ cages I bought to test things out was able to force negotiate any log base 10 rate above using the same module (1G, 10G) between my older Unifi switch using an ethernet cable.

Engineering Assessment

I reached out to a networking driver engineer at the "fruit based" company I work for.
Because the Unifi appliance works with my use case, this engineer suggests the challenge here is with the Intel FreeBSD ix driver.

The FreeBSD driver appears to only support 10G data rates on SFP+ ports, plain and simple.
The driver appears to identify all SFP+ modules as fiber ones, regardless if they're 10GBase-T or 10GBase-SR.

The main point is that SFP+ ports really do tend to operate solely at 10Gbps data rates.
That's why they're there ...
It's not really Intel / Netgate's fault for not supporting my weird use case.
Though it's great (and weird) Unifi has support for what I want.

Conclusion and Recommendation

This person recommended that I "stop trying to stuff a square peg into a round hole" and next time buy a real 10GBase-T appliance (like the XG-1541) if I need 10G all the way down to 10M support on the same onboard ports.

stephenw10

Hmm, well glad you were able to get up and running. Disappointing you were unable to make a module work directly. I have certainly seen 1G modules that worked fine for base-SR.

Steve

seanstewart

@stephenw10

Yeah same. It's okay though.
The Unifi 24-port switch can force 1Gbps on the same SFP+ module that the Netgate appliance seems to have trouble with.

There's some incompatibility somewhere in FBSD, the Intel driver, or the Supermicro SOC.

lnguyen

@seanstewart Have you considered using a 1Gbps copper SFP? I can try to test one on my XG-1537. I sent you a private chat.

seanstewart

@lnguyen

I actually have two here from different vendors I tried.
One's coded for Cisco and the other's coded for Intel.

This directive was added to the boot loader config file:
hw.ix.unsupported_sfp="1"

After rebooting, when I slide either SFP module into the SFP+ cage, I get an unsupported module error from the kernel.

ix0: Unsupported SFP+ module type was detected.

I remember seeing on the Supermicro documentation that these SFP+ ports are not multimode and only support SFP+ modules.