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    • 1amt0ny1
      1amt0ny
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      Is there any way I could expand the storage of Netgate 6100? Maybe using the usb3.0 slots? I found the onboard 16GB storage fills up so quickly without even using it much. Trying to find ways to at least get all the log files away from the Netgate box.

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      • GertjanG
        Gertjan @1amt0ny
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        @1amt0ny said in Netgate 6100 Storage:

        Trying to find ways to at least get all the log files away from the Netgate box.

        Some packages don't use the system's syslog service, and create their own log files.
        When you start to use these packages, you some what invalidated your 'give me just 16 Gbytes of disk space' choice. You need WAYYYYY more.

        Youtube Video – [10:26..]

        I presume that the 16 Gbytes can't be removed easily as it soldered.

        An external USB3 type drive can be used of course.

        No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Gertjan
          last edited by stephenw10

          Mmm, what are you using that fills up the drive? pfSense doesn't require anything like that in default form.

          As shown in that video it is possible use NVMe drive(s) in the 6100 but we don't recommend adding it yourself. Any drive needs to be B-keyed and that is unusual.
          You cannot add additional storage via USB. Technically you could reinstall to USB and run from that but I wouldn't recommend that either . You can easily kill most USB flash with drive writes.

          Steve

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          • 1amt0ny1
            1amt0ny @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10 not too many packages, just pfblockerng-devel, suricata, and wireguard, and I didn’t even enable suricata blocking mode. After a month of usage it fills up the storage and can no longer function normally.

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              SteveITS Galactic Empire @1amt0ny
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              @1amt0ny But the question is, what's taking the space. Run "du -h -d 1 /var/log" to look at the contents of the log directory (as that's the typical reason) and work your way down into large subfolders.

              I'd say "typical" space usage is around 2 GB or less.

              Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
              When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
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              • 1amt0ny1
                1amt0ny @SteveITS
                last edited by

                @steveits that's a helpful command! Mine says /var/log is taking the most space.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  I would guess it's Suricata of the possible suspects there.

                  Make sure you have a total log folder size restriction set in the Suricata log management settings.

                  Though if it just shows /var/log you might just have a lot of system logging enabled.
                  Try: ls -ls /var/log
                  What's using the space?

                  Steve

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                  • 1amt0ny1
                    1amt0ny @stephenw10
                    last edited by

                    @stephenw10 yeah it's suricata, that makes now cuz every time I try starting the block mode the pfsense crashes within a minute.

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                    • GertjanG
                      Gertjan @1amt0ny
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                      @1amt0ny

                      Suricata, (ntop, snort and the like) log a lot and ones activated should be observed all the time.
                      Remember : the more 'hits' come in, the more logs lines are added.
                      The 'blocking' option is just a switch between : inject firewall rules, or not.

                      Suricate and "disk full" is a very known subject on this forum. See here, as this is a package you can't just install and run away from it.

                      I'm not using Suricata myself.
                      From what I know, Suricata has log file maintenance like roll over and file pruning build in.
                      It's setup should be checked.

                      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                        bigsy @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 From the video link, drives have to be B+M keyed.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @bigsy
                          last edited by

                          @bigsy Sorry, yes I corrected my post.
                          The slots are B-Keyed so the drives have to be too. But I've yet to see a B-Key only NVMe drive they are mostly M-Key only (which won't fit) with far fewer being B+M-Key (which will).

                          Steve

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                            NOCling
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                            Is the M.2 with SATA support to fit a default B-Key SATA SSD?

                            Netgate 6100 & Netgate 2100

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              There is no SATA support on the 6100. The slots are NVMe only.

                              Steve

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                              • 1amt0ny1
                                1amt0ny @Gertjan
                                last edited by 1amt0ny

                                @gertjan So I see there's an option in Suricata Logs Mgmt to set a "Log Directory Size Limit", is that all I have to do to prevent it overflooding the disk space?

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                                • GertjanG
                                  Gertjan @1amt0ny
                                  last edited by

                                  @1amt0ny
                                  Yep.
                                  Without the space management, Suricata will fill out all the space is can find, using the entire partition or disk.
                                  Still, this is not a set-it-and-forget-it-option. Check remaining space regularly.

                                  No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                  Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                    SteveITS Galactic Empire @Gertjan
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                                    @gertjan said in Netgate 6100 Storage:

                                    Check remaining space regularly

                                    Though disk space shows on the dashboard, it might be handy if there was an alert/email notification for "disk 95% full" or whatever. (I don't think there is?)

                                    Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                                    When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
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                                    • 1amt0ny1
                                      1amt0ny @SteveITS
                                      last edited by

                                      @steveits there isn't for me. Maybe it can have? I just don't know how to set it up.

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        There's no option for that currently. There are a number of open feature requests for it. THis probably closest currently: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/9226
                                        You can add comments there.

                                        There is a new disk information widget you may have seen in current snapshots too. That has some functionality with a percentage level.

                                        Steve

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                                        • GertjanG
                                          Gertjan @stephenw10
                                          last edited by

                                          Some tips here : Suricata Logs grow over limitation

                                          No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                            Lichtlos @1amt0ny
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                                            @1amt0ny hi did you manage to find a compatible drive?

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