Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan
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@flat4 said in Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan:
@mercer2
Sir what do you do for a living?
15k House, 30 tons of ac,Just as a joke: a lot of Russian oligarchs now escaping with A HUGE MONEY from Putin's dictatorship... I read from news half of a year ago one FSB-related person was arrested and in his 4-room flat in center if Moscow city 10 TON OF GOLDS was arrested! Another one time: 10 TON OF GOLD !!!! In a 4-room flat!!!!
And need to note this person was ordinary authority, even not top-level. Imagine how much top-level persons have? -
@patch said in Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan:
@mercer2 said in Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan:
so would like something easy to setup and monitor.
A Lan with 40-100Gb capacity sounds generous but possibly useful.
To size your Wan, do not use what your ISP can provide and what Speedtest can measure (although at that speed you would probably have to run multiple concurrently).
Instead look at how many concurrent video channels you will want to access remotely. Or what is the actual high bandwidth concurrent tasks you will actually do.
The result of this calculation is likely to be within high end pfsense hardware capacity. If not someone is going to have to manage an enterprise system.
If you want it just for fun, then try playing with TNSR
ABSOLUTELY AGREE with Your opinion.
More than this, from our experience, the setup like this home (You may see building plan on a wall opposite to racks), need not more 5Gb for ALL NEEDS, even
SIMULTANEOUSLY each person (7 persons at all) in each separate room- see 4K stream from Netflix/Amazon Prime/Apple/YouTube
- listen 32-bit ALAC/FLAC sound on external media player
- playing a network Game in 4k
- downloading 200-300 torrents
- uploading streams from Apple iPhone/iPad to FaceBook, TikTok, YouTube at one time
- making a group conversation on a stand-alone IP-telephone
- surfing a 50 web sites with a huge graphics and video content
- making “heavy” banking (online trading means)
- have a separate personal web server (shopping site, blog, etc...) with 300 users online
Imagine? 5Gb for all of that mess!
Of course, in real life only 1-2Gb would be used.
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@sergei_shablovsky
Not sure why you are trying to define adequate requirements. @mercer2 has already said he does not need the capacity but is doing it because he likes playing with technology and his ISP is offering it. -
@patch said in Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan:
@sergei_shablovsky
Not sure why you are trying to define adequate requirements. @mercer2 has already said he does not need the capacity but is doing it because he likes playing with technology and his ISP is offering it.Just try to be reasonable.
Anyway, even this is like a toy, this is dangerous for himself and family members and neighbors, if they have no using fire-stop system and properly cooling for such amount UPS and equipment. Agree?
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TSNR on big x86_64 hardware might be that you should have a look on!
SuperServer SYS-110D-20C-FRDN8TP offers 25 GBs Ports
and perhaps there will be also some well supported 40 GBs
ports. All in all I would directly ask at Netgate support to be sure to get the hands on the right hardware. -
As others have said Enterprise grade gear would work for this setup the problem is, Yes its a huge pipe to the internet, but you really don't have any other needs for the firewall. Enterprise gear is made for 100's of 1000's of active sessions. thousands of firewall rules. Your setup just doesn't need that level of hardware and complexity. Your setup may have 25 rules in your firewall. Only a torrent box will have more than 100 active session. A user would be burned out just trying to keep a 100 active sessions on a PC. The firewall would Block everything by default, allow into a couple servers and data for active sessions. , if you want to host a website or two.
Your house while impressive, it is going to have a hard time utilizing that pipe, 30 or even 60 netflix streams isn't going to fill 40gbit, 4k netflix stream is about 25 megabits, 60 of them come to about 1.5 gigabit/second. Down loading from even large internet sites is probably going to limit you to 1gbit/s per transfer, unless its from your own cloud machines.
I would get a AMD EPYC
7313 Processor 16-core 3.00GHz 128MB Cache 32 threads, 2x 32 GB of the fastest DDR4 dimms you can find, yes its over kill, you need dimms in each memory channel so you can get maximum number of memory channels and bandwidth. PCIe version 4, NVME drives, fastest... 1TB each, in case you get crazy or accidently enable logging of all traffic. 40 Gbit nic in and 100gbit nic to the lan. Make sure you block all internal traffic from hitting your pfsense box. While you are shopping for this server probably want to pick up a couple more EPYC servers, if you want to to host and download torrents. I expect that either you can't generate or receive enough traffic from the internet to fill your pipe, pfsense firewall with this hardware may be up to the task. Or it will do just fine with the network load if all the pfsense fits in the cpu cache. 128MB of L3 cache.You may want to check out Linux Tech Tips video "A $15,000 Network Switch?? - HOLY $H!T - 100GbE Networking" It shows what it takes to max out 25 and 100 gigabit nics using multiple 12k and 8k raw video from a machine with 2x EPYC 64 core cpus, and 40 NVME drives. It can serve the data. But how to get steaming content that needs that amount of bandwidth. For businesses even 10 gigabit internet connections aren't cheap. So you will probably need to pull traffic from 80+ internet sites to even slightly load down your internet connection..
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@jamesdwi
Hi JamesI found this 100g router, which I received last week
https://youtu.be/7_uLxZYYEpQ
will test to see how it goes.
in regards to saturating a 100g local link and a 40g internet link.
that’s the journey i will go trough, and will enjoy it, since is a hobby for me.
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@jamesdwi said in Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan:
As others have said Enterprise grade gear would work for this setup the problem is, Yes its a huge pipe to the internet, but you really don't have any other needs for the firewall. Enterprise gear is made for 100's of 1000's of active sessions. thousands of firewall rules. Your setup just doesn't need that level of hardware and complexity. Your setup may have 25 rules in your firewall. Only a torrent box will have more than 100 active session. A user would be burned out just trying to keep a 100 active sessions on a PC. The firewall would Block everything by default, allow into a couple servers and data for active sessions. , if you want to host a website or two.
Your house while impressive, it is going to have a hard time utilizing that pipe, 30 or even 60 netflix streams isn't going to fill 40gbit, 4k netflix stream is about 25 megabits, 60 of them come to about 1.5 gigabit/second. Down loading from even large internet sites is probably going to limit you to 1gbit/s per transfer, unless its from your own cloud machines.
I would get a AMD EPYC
7313 Processor 16-core 3.00GHz 128MB Cache 32 threads, 2x 32 GB of the fastest DDR4 dimms you can find, yes its over kill, you need dimms in each memory channel so you can get maximum number of memory channels and bandwidth. PCIe version 4, NVME drives, fastest... 1TB each, in case you get crazy or accidently enable logging of all traffic. 40 Gbit nic in and 100gbit nic to the lan. Make sure you block all internal traffic from hitting your pfsense box. While you are shopping for this server probably want to pick up a couple more EPYC servers, if you want to to host and download torrents. I expect that either you can't generate or receive enough traffic from the internet to fill your pipe, pfsense firewall with this hardware may be up to the task. Or it will do just fine with the network load if all the pfsense fits in the cpu cache. 128MB of L3 cache.You may want to check out Linux Tech Tips video "A $15,000 Network Switch?? - HOLY $H!T - 100GbE Networking" It shows what it takes to max out 25 and 100 gigabit nics using multiple 12k and 8k raw video from a machine with 2x EPYC 64 core cpus, and 40 NVME drives. It can serve the data. But how to get steaming content that needs that amount of bandwidth. For businesses even 10 gigabit internet connections aren't cheap. So you will probably need to pull traffic from 80+ internet sites to even slightly load down your internet connection..
Very argumentative reply. Thank You!
(And a little bit stat for me ;)But anyway as topicstarter wrote - this is just toy, not about TCO, business, or something serious. Just a toy like GameBoy or Tetris.
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@mercer2 said in Hardware recommendations for 40gb internet, 100gb lan:
@jamesdwi
Hi JamesI found this 100g router, which I received last week
https://youtu.be/7_uLxZYYEpQ
will test to see how it goes.
in regards to saturating a 100g local link and a 40g internet link.
For this kind of speeds better to use Emerson, Nokia, Huawei routers from ISP-grade lines, or a little bit cheaper F5, Extreme, Juniper.
But not SOHO like Ubiquity, Microtik, D-Link, etc...As a You demonstrate, money, electricity uplinks and rack space - not a big problem for You. Because this equipment are ISP-grade, anyone local distributor would be happy ship, install and give You 1-2 weeks for test, for free.
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@mercer2 Super cool router that you bought. That is absolutely my dream router. Hows it been treating you? Did you get the speeds you were expecting?
