CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C
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@modaeus said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
However monitoring (system -> thermal sensors) shows the same 27.9C and never updates. Would be nice to have the option to change sensor in the monitoring section
That would be fine - I subscribe that Idea!
Regards
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@modaeus That's different than my box. I'm using this box by KingnovyPC. Temps are much higher than that. Seems anything but minimum shoots it instantly to 105C. What box are you using?
Temp is the only CON on this box. I'd say probably because there is no fan, but it doesn't ramp up to top temp, it immediately spikes to top temp. Everything else seems good. NVME + SATA + 4x2.5Gbe. Running iPerf consistently gives me 2.37Gb/s. Even setting PowerD down to minimum it is still able to hit that with ALL Suricata rules on (because I just quickly checked everything for testing). It fully maxes out the CPU, though. Setting it to Adaptive (or anything else) causes the CPU utilization to plummit but the Temp immediately hits 105C and throttles. That temp is extremely concerning.
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@stewart said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
Setting it to Adaptive (or anything else) causes the CPU utilization to plummit but the Temp immediately hits 105C and throttles. That temp is extremely concerning.
What I have read in other forums is, it would be helpfull to open the box get the heatsink from the CPU, clean the CPU surface and apply a new layer of thermal paste ...
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@stewart I'm using the Topton version. They should however be nearly identical.
ref: https://www.servethehome.com/two-fanless-intel-celeron-n5105-4x-2-5gbe-options-reviewed/
Got the rev. 1 edition without the extra USB ports per the article.
Running mine with PowerD adaptive (not adaptive high, since it is vastly overkill), so I do see bursts up to max frequency under load."kldload -v coretemp" only states the module is already loaded, makes no difference for me under monitoring.
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@stewart said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
@modaeus @fireodo Mine correctly changed after running kldload -v coretemp.
In my case its already loaded:
7 1 0xffffffff8432d000 bf8 coretemp.ko -
@modaeus said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
However monitoring (system -> thermal sensors) shows the same 27.9C and never updates. Would be nice to have the option to change sensor in the monitoring section,
Those should show there. You might have to reset the RRD data after enabling Coretemp.
Steve
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@modaeus Does yours have the n6005 or the n5105? Mine is the n5095. Did you get yours from aliexpress?
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@stephenw10 Reset RRD did the trick, the other sensors now show up. Thanks!
@Stewart I got the N6005 Topton version, from Aliexpress.
Edit: your idle seems extraordinary high. For comparison mine is 45C idle right now, sitting in an attic under the roof on a sunny day (would expect atleast ~30C ambient currently) -
@modaeus I've replaced the thermal paste with AS Ceramique 2. On the adaptive profile the temps no longer immediately spike up to 105C but after an hour creep up to about 92C. Ambient is currently about 29C (AC problems). Previous tests were ambient 24C. Once I've done a full volley of tests I'll post back but temps are much better so far.
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@stewart said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
@modaeus I've replaced the thermal paste with AS Ceramique 2. On the adaptive profile the temps no longer immediately spike up to 105C but after an hour creep up to about 92C. Ambient is currently about 29C (AC problems). Previous tests were ambient 24C. Once I've done a full volley of tests I'll post back but temps are much better so far.
So, after 2 hours transferring at the full 2.37Gb/s it makes it all the way back up to 105C. So, new thermal paste helps a ton but it isn't enough. There just isn't enough material for it to be adequately cooled. Looking across all of the specs it appears that maybe the reason is that the N5095 is a 15W chip while the N5105 and n6005 are 10 watt chips. I think I'll be swapping this unit out for this one. It's a little more expensive but it's the n5105 and has 6 ports instead of 4.
Edit: I should add that with the new Ceramique2 TIM it now idles at around 50C in both Minimum and Adaptive. These numbers are with Suricata
Adaptive mode: It climbs up to 105C in Adaptive over the course of around 2 hours so there isn't enough metal to dissipate the heat. It just keeps absorbing more and more. At it's height it becomes very hot to touch. And once you take the load off it drops to around 75C pretty quickly but it takes a long time for the case to cool off without a fan. If you give it load before the case cools off, the temperature jumps pretty rapidly since the case can't hold any more heat. Makes it seem like it just isn't good enough to dissipate the amount of heat generated by a 15W processor. CPU sits at around 75% and speed pegs at 2.37Gb/s. The interface shows speed at 2.0Ghz. I don't know if it goes up to the 2.9Ghz the chip is capable of.
Minimum mode: Keeping track it appears that with Suricata fully loaded then it doesn't quite keep up with the 2.37Gb/s consistently. It will drop to around 2.2Gb/s from time to time. It pegs at 97%-99% continually but the temperature peaks at 62C. -
Reading all you have written I think the case was not enough build for the thermal dissipation of this kind of processor - nevertheless its in the limits of processor specs.
Using a low speed rotating Fan (if possible) could resolve the situation.
Maybe like this:
Below the machine is a 120x120x12mm @ 12V Fan. (can work also with 7V or 9V what make it more silent)My toughts,
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@fireodo While we could add a fan we are looking for a solution that works out of the box and can be easily reproduced to each of our clients we install it in. Something like your setup just wouldn't work. There is a place for a small fan in the case, but the hope is that we could run the unit entirely without fans to eliminate all moving parts.
In addition, this particular switch is requiring us to send it back to China even though it was purchased through Amazon. That's a first for me.
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@stephenw10 hey sorry to jump into this - and this prob way off topic.. But looking at the monitor graphs of my temps on a sg4860.. I noticed it went up a few degrees while we were away for a long weekend, I had up the temp for the AC, so clearly makes sense the few degrees it went up.. Which is cool to see.
But wondering - on the widget you can set to show in F, but on the monitor graph only C.. Anyway to change that, or should I put in a feature request ;)
Sorry to go off topic - but it some what related I believe..
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@johnpoz said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
But wondering - on the widget you can set to show in F, but on the monitor graph only C.. Anyway to change that, or should I put in a feature request ;)
Just switch to Metric , as us "Normal's"
The you don't even have to make a "request"/Bingo
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@bingo600 hahaha, this is true.. But I am old, and just too stuck in my ways ;) But yeah that is a valid point.. They did teach us metric back in elementary school, but it just never stuck..
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@johnpoz Yeah. Metric works for me for lengths (mm, m km, etc) but not temperatures.
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@stewart We just brought the unit to USPS (the required service) and it cost us $75 to ship it back. Ouch!
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@johnpoz said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
on the widget you can set to show in F, but on the monitor graph only C.. Anyway to change that, or should I put in a feature request
Yeah, feature request. Probably not that difficult.
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@stewart said in CPU Temp stuck at 27.9C:
So, after 2 hours transferring at the full 2.37Gb/s it makes it all the way back up to 105C. So, new thermal paste helps a ton but it isn't enough. There just isn't enough material for it to be adequately cooled. Looking across all of the specs it appears that maybe the reason is that the N5095 is a 15W chip while the N5105 and n6005 are 10 watt chips.
I had a similar Topton device delivered yesterday, and likewise had the temperature skyrocketing to 105C in a few minutes, and even the case was scorching hot.
I’ve found some references to the fact that as delivered the BIOS settings are rubbish - they tell it to use about 28W, not 10W, and that’s why the temps are so sky high. You need to change the PL1 and PL2 settings to something like 10W and 12W, or 8W and 10W respectively.
There may be other settings that need to be tweaked, mine was only delivered yesterday, so I’m working my way through it all.
