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        vbredjp
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        This problem is getting unbearable, considering rolling back to previous version, what is the schedule for new pfsense+ release? as it may have newer unbound version with problem fixed..
        I think I am being impacted by this bug
        https://github.com/NLnetLabs/unbound/issues/670

        but setting do-ip6: no does not solve problem for me.

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          SteveITS Rebel Alliance @vbredjp
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          @vbredjp said in Slow DNS after 22.05:

          what is the schedule for new pfsense+ release

          The next version will be 22.11, so presumably at least 3-4 months away.

          I admit to not reading every post in detail, but for those seeing this, when it happens does restarting the DNS Resolver service clear it?

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            bmeeks
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            I believe there is more than a single unbound bug at work here. When you look at the commit history on the unbound GitHub repo and in the Change Log, you see a number of changes that are now rolled up into the latest 1.16.2 version of unbound.

            It's a bit of an unfortunate timing thing that resulted in the current version of CE (2.6.0) having a much older unbound package (1.13.2) that is not impacted by the current bugginess of 1.15.0 (the version currently packaged with pfSense Plus 22.05).

            So the issue appears to be first limited to just pfSense Plus installations, but certainly not all of them. CE users are running a much older unbound package and appear to not be suffering from this bug.

            One thing the Netgate team could consider is bringing the current 1.16.2 version of unbound into their 22.05 FreeBSD Ports tree and thus making it available for manual installation (or upgrade) for those users impacted by the bug. Or put the older 1.13.2 version into the pfSense Plus 22.05 package repo. That would be a more complicated "update" for users, though, as they would likely need to manually remove the unbound package and then add it back as pkg would not normally see 1.13.2 as an "upgrade" for 1.15.0.

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              vbjp
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              @steveits
              I have this problem really hard to troubleshoot as it impacts only certain domains not resolving at sporadic times. Restarting unbound service solves the problem for a while, but it's not sustainable as only yesterday I had to restart unbound 4 times.

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                vbjp @bmeeks
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                @bmeeks said in Slow DNS after 22.05:

                One thing the Netgate team could consider is bringing the current 1.16.2 version of unbound into their 22.05 FreeBSD Ports tree and thus making it available for manual installation (or upgrade) for those users impacted by the bug. Or put the older 1.13.2 version into the pfSense Plus 22.05 package repo. That would be a more complicated "update" for users, though, as they would likely need to manually remove the unbound package and then add it back as pkg would not normally see 1.13.2 as an "upgrade" for 1.15.0.

                This would be great people who don't have any problems could stay on default unbound version, and these with problems could manually install latest.
                I unfortunately live in Japan and here lots of users like yahoo.co.jp from my observations this is worst offender, breaks 1 to 5 times a day, also other sites in co.jp break way more than com, net etc. Yesterday had amazon.co.jp break but amazon.com working perfectly. rebooting unbound everyday is getting a chore. Waiting 2-3 months until 22.11 release would be hell.

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                  yellowRain
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                  I have major issue with unbound on PfSense Plus latest stable version :

                  DNS lookups are slow because unbound (the DNS Resolver) frequently restarts

                  I do not know what to do, as system logs show no useful information

                  I'm with unbound 1.15.0.

                  I see strange hotplug events regarding igc0 in the General tab simultaneously, which may cause new dhcp lease and unbound restart.

                  Should I open a ticket, is it yet another intel nic driver / hardware issue ?

                  (SG-6100)

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                    yellowRain @yellowRain
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                    @yellowrain EDIT : I do not use the igc0 port anymore.
                    Just realized ix0 is smoother. Too bad I did not do that earlier.

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                      Gertjan @yellowRain
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                      @yellowrain said in Slow DNS after 22.05:

                      I see strange hotplug events regarding igc0 in the General tab simultaneously, which may cause new dhcp lease and unbound restart.

                      igc0 is your WAN ?
                      That would be a very valid reason for unbound, actually any process, that uses interfaces.
                      3 things to test : the cable. The interface on the other side, the igc0 from your 6100.
                      The cable test is easy ;)
                      You could use another WAN interface on your 6100, it has plenty of interfaces ;)
                      Testing the other side : use another NIC, if ythe upstream device has more then one, or put a switch between your WAN (igc0) and your upstream device. This will hide the problem, you still have to check why the upstream device pulls its interface down. If this is a modem type device, it does so because your uplink went down.

                      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                        yellowRain @Gertjan
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                        @gertjan my current config was igc0 for LAN. ix2/ix3 for WAN.
                        I had time to fully investigate all logs this summer.

                        the interface on the other side has been rock stable (trusty business grade switches Zyxel XG1930-10).

                        2.5gbps on igc0 is still not as stable as I would wish, based on my experience. (connection lost even at max power, green ethernet not working, short cable setting unreliable. That makes unbound restart and the restart process takes time)

                        Cable may be one reason, you're right, I had Cat 6A, though even another fully compatible 10gbps cable make the igc0 exhibit same symptoms (maybe less, but I rushed thoses tests...).

                        So at the end, for today, I use only ix0 for LAN, ix2/ix3 for WAN. Those interfaces are server-level Intel chipsets based. Other interfaces I have in my homelab are almost all X550 (NAS, server), and that works well. Only one exception is one aquantia thunderbolt 3 interface for my laptop, which is great also for this type of device.

                        I also fully investigated the wireless part, thanks to openwrt on wrt3200acm (6ghz wifi routers are still not widely available here in Europe). There I found some IoT smart plugs screwing 2.4Ghz network, on which devices land sometimes. I had to add a separate 2.4Ghz radio to isolate thes IoT devices. 5ghz was already optimized, but the latest 22.03 OpenWRT build brought long uptime stability (or at least uncluttered the logs).

                        That way, confcalls over Teams, voWifi calls and DNS resolution are now stable.

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                              I installed BIND on my 3100 given the issues I'm still having with Unbound, expecting it to be able to behave as a resolver on my network.

                              However, devices using DHCP are issued with the IP addresses of DNS servers set in the "general settings" rather than the IP address of the 3100 itself as happens when you use the native DNS Resolver (Unbound). This means any locally set DNS records (and I only have one that I use) are ignored as all devices are going out to Google's DNS.

                              Appreciate this might be considered slightly off-topic, but based on my reading, BIND should offer a viable alternative to Unbound as a resolver.

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                                Gertjan @istacey
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                                @istacey said in Slow DNS after 22.05:

                                BIND should offer a viable alternative to Unbound as a resolver.

                                Like unbound, bind doesn't need "8.8.8.8". Both are resolvers.
                                8.8.8.8 is a DNS resolver where you can forward to.

                                If you wan to deal with 8.8.8.8 because you have to give them your private DNS requests, use the forwarder (dnsmasq), you won't be needing any local resolver.

                                No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                  istacey @Gertjan
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                                  @gertjan I don't want 8.8.8.8 issued via DHCP to devices, but it is and I can't see how/where this is set. Switching back to Unbound goes back to what I'd expected/wanted, that is DHCP issuing 192.168.1.2 as the DNS server).

                                  I can't see how I stop a BIND setup doing this.

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                                    Gertjan @istacey
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                                    @istacey said in Slow DNS after 22.05:

                                    I can't see how I stop a BIND setup doing this.

                                    Bind has nothing to do with the DNS server IP, send by the DHCP server to a client that requests a lease.
                                    See for example here : a DHCP request and answer :

                                    https://forum.netgate.com/topic/174366/mac-does-not-get-dns-server-address-from-dhcp/16?_=1665229390288

                                    If your LAN clients receives "8.8.8.8" as a DNS server IP during the lease negotiation, check your DHCP server settings.
                                    The DHCP server doesn't know what '8.8.8.8' is unless you've instructed it.

                                    No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                    Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                                      istacey @Gertjan
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                                      @gertjan Yes, my fault! I'd left DNS servers configured in the General Settings. Removed these now and DHCP is issuing my firewall address as DNS... but now I need to work out how to make BIND work properly because that's left nothing resolving! 😕

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                                        SteveITS Rebel Alliance @istacey
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                                        @istacey Had you tried the DNS Forwarder feature instead of Resolver?

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                                          istacey @SteveITS
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                                          @steveits I'm using the forwarder only because the Unbound resolver is unreliable. But the forwarder doesn't give me the things I need so I wanted something the resolver.

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                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @istacey
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                                            @istacey said in Slow DNS after 22.05:

                                            But the forwarder doesn't give me the things I need

                                            What is that exactly?

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