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Multicast traffic between LAN interfaces on different subnets

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    ericafterdark
    last edited by Nov 29, 2022, 9:06 PM

    Equipment: Netgate 6100 with pfSense 22.05-RELEASE (amd64).

    I am trying to reach my Roon audio server (https://roonlabs.com) connected to LAN2 from devices in LAN.

    LAN: 10.1.0.0/24
    LAN2: 10.2.0.0/24

    Devices can ping each other from both subnets so routing is fine. Multicast is where I'm stuck. Roon uses multicast for it's clients to discover the server.

    Any advice on how to solve this multicast issue?

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      rcoleman-netgate Netgate @ericafterdark
      last edited by Nov 29, 2022, 10:36 PM

      @eric8bits The package avahi will allow you to do multicast between interfaces.

      Ryan
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        ericafterdark @rcoleman-netgate
        last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 4:46 AM

        @rcoleman-netgate so I gave it a try and yes something changed. I now have AirPlay available. Apple devices can broadcast across LAN interfaces. Only Roon’s own protocol is missing. They are not showing up.

        I guess they use something funky?

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          rcoleman-netgate Netgate @ericafterdark
          last edited by rcoleman-netgate Nov 30, 2022, 7:14 AM Nov 30, 2022, 7:13 AM

          @eric8bits ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I've only ever used it for Apple's mDNS stuff (airplay, timemachine, etc.)

          Ryan
          Repeat, after me: MESH IS THE DEVIL! MESH IS THE DEVIL!
          Requesting firmware for your Netgate device? https://go.netgate.com
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          Wireless: Aruba, Ubiquiti

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            ericafterdark @rcoleman-netgate
            last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 7:15 AM

            @rcoleman-netgate yes I think Roon is blocking it.

            I have two options:

            Buy a switch or bridge LAN interfaces on the Netgate.

            Bridging LAN interfaces is OK?

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              rcoleman-netgate Netgate @ericafterdark
              last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 7:58 AM

              @eric8bits It is not something we'd recommend... Bridges in BSD should be used only when absolutely necessary. A switch won't resolve your issue unless you're going to eliminate the routing, too.

              I'd run a packet capture on the Roon to see what it's trying to do and see if you can forward that somehow.

              Ryan
              Repeat, after me: MESH IS THE DEVIL! MESH IS THE DEVIL!
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                ericafterdark
                last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 2:43 PM

                @rcoleman-netgate based on what I've been reading, Roon "sends broadcast messages to UDP/9003."

                https://github.com/synfinatic/udp-proxy-2020

                Is this something I can solve within pfSense?

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                  Bob.Dig LAYER 8 @ericafterdark
                  last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 3:28 PM

                  @eric8bits I think you should solve it by putting all the devices in the same subnet. If you need a switch for that and maybe a wireless access point, both with vlan support, then get those. A firewall isn't a switch.

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                    ericafterdark @Bob.Dig
                    last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 3:29 PM

                    @bob-dig I think that is the best advice. Thanks!

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                      Bob.Dig LAYER 8 @ericafterdark
                      last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 3:32 PM

                      @eric8bits Maybe your "roon"-device can be in two subnets, if it has two NICs.

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                        ericafterdark @Bob.Dig
                        last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 3:33 PM

                        @bob-dig if only. It does not however. I am going to solve it they way I should solve it. No fancy, funky tricks. Just all equipment doing what they are designed to do.

                        I will move everything into the same subnet.

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                          Bob.Dig LAYER 8 @ericafterdark
                          last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 3:35 PM

                          @eric8bits said in Multicast traffic between LAN interfaces on different subnets:

                          I will move everything into the same subnet.

                          I like that. 😉

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                            viragomann @Bob.Dig
                            last edited by Nov 30, 2022, 3:44 PM

                            @bob-dig said in Multicast traffic between LAN interfaces on different subnets:

                            I think you should solve it by putting all the devices in the same subnet. If you need a switch for that and maybe a wireless access point, both with vlan support, then get those. A firewall isn't a switch.

                            I agree with the last one. However, a switch cannot filter anything normally, but pfSense can, even on bridged interfaces sharing the same L2.

                            So there are specific circumstances, where a bridge may be the preferred solution.

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