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    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
    last edited by Feb 7, 2023, 12:51 AM

    Great I have that.

    And just to be clear you're editing the description field in Interfaces > Assignments > VLANs > Edit?

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      michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
      last edited by Feb 7, 2023, 12:56 AM

      @stephenw10 correct.
      This all started because I wanted to reassign some ports to create a lagg. My changes were never saved. Edited the .xml

      Next I wanted to update vlan descriptions. Changes never saved. That’s when I did some digging and checking logs.

      Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
      Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
      Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
      Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
      JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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        michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @michmoor
        last edited by Feb 7, 2023, 5:22 PM

        Howdy @stephenw10 Did you have any free cycles to check out the items i uploaded?

        Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
        Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
        Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
        Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
        JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by Feb 7, 2023, 9:14 PM

          I looked over your config and I don't see anything significant there really. I'll have to try loading it up on something and testing it when I can.

          Do you know when during the logs you applied that change and it failed?

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            michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
            last edited by Feb 7, 2023, 9:28 PM

            @stephenw10 I was screen grabbing at the same time I clicked save when doing the vlan change.
            So right at the top are the beginning of the flooding messages that come in.
            Oddly someone is having a similar issue in the Reddit forum. Maybe it’s a NIC driver thing? That and the config seems to be the only consistent thing.
            I have half a mind to install the RC tonight.

            Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
            Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
            Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
            Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
            JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 1:11 AM

              You have a link?

              Are they also using a lagg of igc NICs?

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                michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 2:01 AM

                @stephenw10 https://www.reddit.com/r/PFSENSE/comments/10w51rk/hourly_network_drops/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

                Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                  marcosm Netgate
                  last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 2:35 AM

                  Have you tried re-doing the configuration instead of restoring the config file? If you're able to reproduce it that way by only making related changes to a default configuration, that can help narrow down the issue.

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                    michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @marcosm
                    last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 3:36 AM

                    @marcosm There is quite a bit to restore manually.
                    So what i am thinking about trying is the following

                    1. re-install pfSense. Do not restore original configuration. Create VLANs and attempt to change the description. I will note the results. Afterward i will create a LAGG0. See how that goes.

                    2. Assuming the problem cannot be repeated from step 1 then i will restore my configuration. I will then blow away all vlans and lagg interfaces. recreate vlan.ids and laggs and attempt to modify.

                    Depending on how things go, it could very well be something funky in configuration.
                    The mystery is why is it that changes to interfaces and vlans through the GUI are not saved but if i edit the config.xml directly then interface changes are saved.
                    How does the GUI talk to the system files? I assume there is some commit check that takes place. If there is a log for that, that could reveal alot of whats going on behind the scenes.

                    Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                    Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                    Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                    Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                    JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                      michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @michmoor
                      last edited by michmoor Feb 8, 2023, 3:53 AM Feb 8, 2023, 3:50 AM

                      @marcosm

                      One more tidbit to kind of proved my point about the outages...

                      igc0 is my LAN. Not in a VLAN. Traffic not routed across the LAGG.
                      I change the vlan description and i have a continuous uninterrupted ping to google.com.

                      Reply from 172.217.13.14: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=115
                      Reply from 172.217.13.14: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=115
                      Reply from 172.217.13.14: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=115
                      
                      Ping statistics for 172.217.13.14:
                          Packets: Sent = 33, Received = 33, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
                      Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                          Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 6ms
                      

                      Now i set up an extended ping to another VLAN that is on the LAGG. I make a vlan description change and outage..

                      ping -t 192.168.17.2
                      
                      Pinging 192.168.17.2 with 32 bytes of data:
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.50.254: Destination host unreachable.
                      Reply from 192.168.50.254: Destination host unreachable.
                      Request timed out.
                      Request timed out.
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127
                      Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127
                      
                      Ping statistics for 192.168.17.2:
                          Packets: Sent = 15, Received = 13, Lost = 2 (13% loss),
                      Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
                          Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 14ms, Average = 1ms
                      

                      @stephenw10 i swear im not crazy :)

                      Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                      Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                      Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                      Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                      JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                        michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @michmoor
                        last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 4:28 AM

                        Update:
                        Anyhthing that has to do with the LAGG triggers an outage on the LAGG.

                        All i did was add a VLAN tonight and the results are below.
                        Pings start on igc0[192.168.50.221] which is not a member of the lagg and not part of any vlan.

                        ping -t 192.168.17.2
                        
                        Pinging 192.168.17.2 with 32 bytes of data:
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.50.254: Destination host unreachable.
                        Request timed out.
                        Reply from 192.168.50.254: Destination host unreachable.
                        Reply from 192.168.50.254: Destination host unreachable.
                        Request timed out.
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127
                        Reply from 192.168.17.2: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=127
                        
                        

                        Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                        Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                        Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                        Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                        JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 1:44 PM

                          There are a few things that could be happening here:
                          Input validation in the GUI is preventing you making the changes because some existing setting it tries to apply at the same time is invalid. However if that were true I would expect it to throw an error in the gui when you tried to save it. And there wouldn't actually be anything applied to the interfaces so you wouldn't see the lagg bounce.
                          It creates a config that is invalid generating a bad config file and pfSense chooses the last valid config to use. If that was happening I would expect to see a bunch of logs indicating it.

                          The fact it bumps lagg implies changes are being applied to the VLAN and it's trying to propagate those to it's parent interface, lagg0.

                          I haven't been able to replicate it even using a vlan on a lagg of igc NICs exactly as you have.Yet.

                          When you save the description change do you see that shown in Diag > Backup > Config History?

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                            michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                            last edited by michmoor Feb 8, 2023, 4:17 PM Feb 8, 2023, 4:14 PM

                            @stephenw10 Good question.

                            Just modified a vlan description. Change didnt stick

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                            Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                            Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                            Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                            Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                            JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 4:16 PM

                              Hmm, and that also fails?

                              What does the config diff show if you just try to change the description of an existing VLAN?

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                                michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                                last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 4:18 PM

                                @stephenw10 updated the screen shot. Wrote a test description. You see a config change but nothing in the GUI.

                                Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                                Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                                JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 4:23 PM

                                  But that's a previous config change? It doesn't include the VLAN changes.

                                  Or is that timestamp when you actually made the change?

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                                    michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                                    last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 4:26 PM

                                    @stephenw10 I just did a vlan change. 11:16

                                    Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                                    Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                    Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                    Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                                    JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 4:46 PM

                                      Hmm, what was the actual change you made? What was the new description you tried to set?

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                                        michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
                                        last edited by Feb 8, 2023, 5:09 PM

                                        @stephenw10 just wrote the word 'Test' I wish i could show you this in real time. I also went to Services / Auto Configuration Backup/ Revision Information
                                        Look at the vlan hierarchy and its unchanged..

                                        Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                                        Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                        Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                        Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                                        JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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                                          michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @michmoor
                                          last edited by michmoor Feb 8, 2023, 9:36 PM Feb 8, 2023, 9:13 PM

                                          Some good news.
                                          As a first step i decided to delete all sub-interfaces , vlans and lagg0. All that is left is WAN and LAN.
                                          First i re-created the lagg0.
                                          Secondly, i re-created my vlan tags and assigned them all to parent interface lagg0.
                                          I changed vlan descriptions multiple times and each time the change is reflected in the GUI.

                                          Because the interfaces were deleted and i had to create them again, attempting to restore Firewall rules from backup config i receive the following error message

                                          In the back of my mind, i had a suspicion that somehow the interface mappings were messed up somehow. That looks to be the case for sure.

                                          Fatal error: Uncaught Exception: XML error: SSHDATA at line 10148 cannot occur more than once in /etc/inc/xmlparse.inc:89 Stack trace: #0 [internal function]: startElement(Resource id #13, 'SSHDATA', Array) #1 /etc/inc/xmlparse.inc(188): xml_parse(Resource id #13, 'mldata>\n\t\t
                                          

                                          My other question. Is it normal for the LAGG to flap when changing the description of a VLAN tag? The LED lights on the NetGate do go off and come back on. There is ping loss and the system logs do see an UP/DOWN event so im not making it up.

                                          Firewall: NetGate,Palo Alto-VM,Juniper SRX
                                          Routing: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                          Switching: Juniper, Arista, Cisco
                                          Wireless: Unifi, Aruba IAP
                                          JNCIP,CCNP Enterprise

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