N5105 or J6412?

riahc8

Hello

For a pfSense hardware device, which would be better the N5105 or J6412?

They both seem similar on paper with the N5105 having slightly more cache but is there anything else I should look out for that I missed?

Thanks

Daniel_Hyde

The J6412 supports faster RAM nad is a newer architecture.
It should have the same performance or better than the N5105 but use less power.
The power difference will be small though.

Thanks
Dan

riahc8

@daniel_hyde said in N5105 or J6412?:

The J6412 supports faster RAM nad is a newer architecture.
It should have the same performance or better than the N5105 but use less power.
The power difference will be small though.

Thanks
Dan

Got it. Thanks.

Daniel_Hyde

@riahc8 No problem

Thanks
Dan

Nnyan

They are both 10w TDP, 4C, same year. Different socket, GPU and DDR4 support. The N5105 is slightly faster overall and single core but the J6412 supports up to 32gb is my big takeaway.

riahc8

@nnyan said in N5105 or J6412?:

They are both 10w TDP, 4C, same year. Different socket, GPU and DDR4 support. The N5105 is slightly faster overall and single core but the J6412 supports up to 32gb is my big takeaway.

Yeah, if there isnt a HUGE difference, the J6412 / J6413 look like a better buy in general and it seems both can handle a symmetrical 1 Gbps PPPoE fiber connection

cappie

@riahc8 just to muddy the waters a bit.

Have you had a look at the new hotness that is the N95 /N100/N305? Most of those same resellers either already are or will be releasing the new chips at roughly the same price.

Daniel_Hyde

@cappie

I've been looking at them but they are all only single channel RAM so may be slower in some circumstances.

Thanks
Dan

cappie

@daniel_hyde but with the bandwidth of DDR5 would single vs dual channel matter anymore? Especially for a firewall device?

Daniel_Hyde

@cappie

It may do as it will affect latency too
IIRC the new chips support up to DDR5 4800 which gets you 38.4GB/s and dual channel DDR4 3200 of the old chips gets you 51.2GB/s.
Having said that the devices I've seen with the new chips were DDR4 not DDR5 so would only have 25.6GB/s.

Thanks
Dan

riahc8

@cappie said in N5105 or J6412?:

@riahc8 just to muddy the waters a bit.

Have you had a look at the new hotness that is the N95 /N100/N305? Most of those same resellers either already are or will be releasing the new chips at roughly the same price.

Dude Ive posted multiple threads about this and now I get a answer.....

I already got a J6413

cappie

@riahc8 can't remember seeing your other threads. Do let us know how the J6413 performs for you once you get it set up.

@Daniel_Hyde the systems I was looking at are all DDR5, probably from the same ODM. For those of us running single channel ram (I'm currently on a single stick of 8GB DDR4) I doubt it'll make a huge difference.

Will be interesting to see the post about the new chips once they flood the market tho.

riahc8

@cappie said in N5105 or J6412?:

@riahc8 can't remember seeing your other threads. Do let us know how the J6413 performs for you once you get it set up.

@Daniel_Hyde the systems I was looking at are all DDR5, probably from the same ODM. For those of us running single channel ram (I'm currently on a single stick of 8GB DDR4) I doubt it'll make a huge difference.

Will be interesting to see the post about the new chips once they flood the market tho.

They sent a N5105 because they are dumbasses....

Having a issue with their 4G card but thats troubleshooting.

Thank you all for the help

BTW, on a intresting note: I imported my old config from my old virtualized pfSense and the WAN was 10Mbps......Started from stratch the it gives me roughly the same speed as my ISP router so....Very intresting

cappie

@riahc8 the N5105 has only slightly lower scores on passmark and geekbench so performance should be roughly the same.

I've never done a move from VM to bare metal but make sure you get the updated Bios for the N5105 since it provides more options for tweaking and solves a few lingering problems with stability.

riahc8

@cappie said in N5105 or J6412?:

@riahc8 the N5105 has only slightly lower scores on passmark and geekbench so performance should be roughly the same.

I've never done a move from VM to bare metal but make sure you get the updated Bios for the N5105 since it provides more options for tweaking and solves a few lingering problems with stability.

Asked for BIOS update, they dont have.

Also 32GB vs 16GB...

Daniel_Hyde

@riahc8 N5105 only supports 16GB officially

Thanks Dan

riahc8

@daniel_hyde said in N5105 or J6412?:

@riahc8 N5105 only supports 16GB officially

Thanks Dan

I know. What do you mean?

cappie

@riahc8 16GB officially but reports of 32GB running on the N5105 along with info on bios updates can be found here:

ServeTheHome - JasperLake

I'm still waiting on the 2 port N100 they promised by end of May.