AES-NI and OpenVPN?
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@stephenw10 I did make sure to reboot between comparisons.
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@stephenw10 With the module unloaded OpenSSL will still use AES-NI.
So unloading the module .. OpenSSL will still use AES-NI without the module?
So AES-NI can be (or will be) used with our without the module?
And does the dropdown within OpenVPN client or server only apply to the module?
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Yes OpenSSL will use AES-NI with or without the kernel module.
The dropdown in the OpenVPN config applies the OpenSSL 'engine' used and does nothing for AES-NI in current pfSense versions.
The only way to actually test the difference AES-NI makes would be to disable it in the BIOS AFAIK.
Steve
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Intel Whitepaper for peoples who writing code
Breakthrough AES Performance with Intel AES New InstructionsA study of AES-NI acceleration using LibreSSL, OpenSSL
AES-NI SSL PerformanceDifferent other points counting also and matching too
Advanced Encryption Standard New Instructions
(AES-NI) Analysis: Security, Performance, and
Power ConsumptionA discussion on Reddit about AES-NI
Please watch out for the comment from "jra_samba_org"The Algorithm itself together with AES-NI
Rochester Institute of TechnologyAES-NI performance in other applications
A LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE IMPACT OF HARDWARE-ACCELERATED AESAnother different type of SSL usage, with Intel AES-NI
Implementation and Performance of AES-NI in CyaSSLUnder different aspects, regarding other points and after
all reading over, it is a let us say raw frame outspeak but
all in all AES-NI is speeding up x8 till x10 the entire usage
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I still am not clearly understanding what we get in terms of AES-NI If the module is not loaded
and AES-NI is not selected in the client or server itself.
How is it different if the module is loaded or if the module is not loaded?
And how is it different if it is not selected in the client or server itself?
I have tried every combination the above and cannot see any noticeable difference in CPU usage or throughput.
We are connected at wire speed through two PFSense systems.
Speed test is right at 1Gbps when tested without AES/OpenVPN (two NATs)
CPU never goes over 32%
CPU is an older gen2 i5.
I will have to have more fun and testing with this.
I feel more like I do now.
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I would not expect to any difference there because OpenSSL will use AES-NI instructions if they are available whatever setting you have there.
To test that you would need to disable AES-NI in the BIOS to prevent OpenSSL seeing it.
The only other test you could do here is using DCO in OpenVPN. Because that does all the encryption in kernel mode it can use the module so you would potentially see a difference. It can use the QAT module there for example and that gives a significant performance bump.
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@n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:
The purpose of AES-NI is to improve the speed of applications performing encryption and decryption using the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) ...
TrueCrypt without using AES-NI ~227 MB/s
TrueCrypt with using AES-NI ~1.8 GBit/sThis was the software usage of AES-NI and now let us
have a look on the transport encryption such VPN.In real life it would be coming on top of this
more points that counting in or on top of it.- OpenSSL or LibreSSL
- Implementation of the software
- VPN method you are using (IPSec)
Can you set up an IPSec tunnel using AES-GCM-128/256?
And measure again.I still am not clearly understanding what we get in
terms of AES-NI If the module is not loaded and
AES-NI is not selected in the client or server itself.The code or software is benefitting from that AES-NI.
How is it different if the module is loaded or if the
module is not loaded?If you don´t see any performance gain or a better or
higher throughput, it indicates to you that there will
be nothing happen, based on that AES-NI function.In older days PC Engines Alix board were very popular
for setting up pfSense or mOnOwall on it, VPN was at
14.2 MBit/s throughput and together with a small
miniPCI card from Soekris (HiFn chip) you were able
to gain the throughput to something around 42.3
MBit/s so this was nearly three time faster and you
were able to see the benefit. As today CPU becomes
more strong and fast that this AES-NI instructions perhaps
will be not able to realize in all cases and for or from all users, because the Internet speed was also increasing much, but with a Internet connection of 50 MBit/s you
may need or wish to scratch out all you can get, more
then others with a 1 GBit/s line. Where it makes no
difference they get out 100 MBit/s more or less.And how is it different if it is not selected in the client or > server itself?
What you were able to see at the IPSec tunnel pushing
a 300 MB file through?I have tried every combination the above and cannot
see any noticeable difference in CPU usage or throughput.Perhaps your CPU is strong enough, so be happy with it.
We are connected at wire speed through two
PFSense systems. Speed test is right at 1Gbps
when tested without AES/OpenVPN (two NATs)
CPU never goes over 32%
CPU is an older gen2 i5.Perhaps, from my point of view, you were not able to saturate the entire internet or vpn line and therefor
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@dobby_ Fun stuff.
I get the full 1Gbps if I hit the local speedtest server through the two-NAT two PFsense systems route.
If I hit it through the Openvpn tunnel between the same two systems I am seeing the speed and CPU utilization you see in that screen capture.Thank you for answering all of my questions and I'm a newb at much of this.
I'm still failing to understand why the toggleable options are there both in system\advanced
and within the openvpn client or server items.
Why are there they to turn on/off if it is going to go ahead and use AES-NI anyware regardless of the toggles?
Are there two separate sets of AES-NI software?
One (kernel level) in the module and another in userspace(default if you do not load the module?And what about the other toggle within the client or server ?
Does that just tell the client or server to USE the module or to NOT to use it?Then if you USE the module does it stop using the _not module AES-NI in userspace?
Or does it use a combination of BOTH versus (one or the other) when it is loaded as instructed from system\advanced?Thanks for being patient with me on this and for all of the information.
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@n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:
I get the full 1Gbps if I hit the local speedtest server through the two-NAT two PFsense systems route.
You may be then the lucky guy were the VPN will be
done in raw MHz/GHz, and all is fine for you.But there are also other peoples out and they don`t use OPNvpn and/or WireGuard. Or they have special needs,
an other use case and so on.If I hit it through the Openvpn tunnel between the same two systems I am seeing the speed and CPU utilization you see in that screen capture.
May be but others have perhaps the need for IPSec and/or
they are getting a gain from that AES-NI, if it is present
and you have no other things up there such Intel QAT
you have not the need to change, but if it is so you
will be also the lucky one that is able to change and let
us say you say please use QAT or an HiFn Chip or what ever is in place. So in my eyes you are looking at your situation and your hardware and all is fine.Thank you for answering all of my questions and I'm a newb at much of this.
It is more to try out turn your thinking into another
direction, because;- you see only your situation
- you see only your equipment
So you can´t understand it, let us imagine you are a company and given by law or company rules or plain insurance rules you will be pressed as the admin of the network to use something such IPSec, or other hardware
in the company all over the world is not able to use OpnVPN and/or WireGuard, o what will you do now?And for that clients and peoples or plain users it is a nice
catch or nice to have thing, that pfSense is offering to them the ability to change such things fast, to fit their
needs.I'm still failing to understand why the toggleable options are there both in system\advanced
and within the openvpn client or server items.Your CPU comes with AES-NI, but what will be when;
- Your CPU is also sorted with Intel QAT and you want
to change it now? You do you want to realize it then? - Your hole amount of VPN road Warriors will be hard increasing and you may want to change the chip that
or instance that should be used for encryption, how
you want to do this then?
Why are there they to turn on/off if it is going to go ahead and use AES-NI anyware regardless of the toggles?
What is when at one day other things such QAT comes
out and you will be not able to change or say use this
or use that?Are there two separate sets of AES-NI software?
It depends often on other points and more points.
Mostly it is only the way how it is used.
case one:
AES-NI is present in the CPU
crypto dev system from the os uses a driver
and the driver uses the AES-NI instructions set of the cpu
case two:
the software uses the AES-NI directlyBut in real and on top this it comes other benefits by side
like better elliptic curve's, better cycling and so on and so on, because it is all under the heat not visible to see for
us customers we may thinking why is it there.One (kernel level) in the module and another in userspace(default if you do not load the module?
And what about the other toggle within the client or server ?In short it can be answered if you are not needing it makes it not obsolete to be present and let us imagine you must now feed some more 1 GBit/s lines and doing a backup
over them, what then?Does that just tell the client or server to USE the module or to NOT to use it?
I think it is more who and when it will be used;
- OpenSSL will use it even if it is present
- The software only if it is enabled
- And the other benefits from it may be not known from us
because we a re not the software coder, but anyway I will be more lucky with the situation that I am able to change
something, against there is no way to do so.
Then if you USE the module does it stop using the _not module AES-NI in userspace?
Since the change from FreeBSD 12.3 to version 14.0
there will be more changes as we end users would
knowing about. Who knows how things will be
changed and in wich steps this process will be done.Or does it use a combination of BOTH versus (one or the other) when it is loaded as instructed from system\advanced?
Thanks for being patient with me on this and for all of the information.Let us say you are an engineer and you do research for
let us say 1 million $ and now you want to go to the
patent office to get a patent, and then this fancy new OpenVPN or WireGuard comes out and you use it, but
someone was steeling your ideas because there where
a not found whatever Inside, you are done!Other countries will be hard forbit the usage of hardware
accelerated crypto work and now you can show them it
is all done in pure CPU work with an unchecked AES-NI
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@n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:
I'm still failing to understand why the toggleable options are there both in system\advanced
and within the openvpn client or server items.
Why are there they to turn on/off if it is going to go ahead and use AES-NI anyware regardless of the toggles?The crypto hardware option in System > Advanced it to choose which kernel module to load. Those modules are used by the bsd crypto framework for kernel mode crypto operations. So that's IPSec or OpenVPN in DCO mode.
The hardware crypto option in the OpenVPN config is the equivalent of specifiying the 'engine' for OpenSSL operations. In current pfSense versions OpenSSL can't use the AES-NI module for that (and doesn't need to anyway). It exists only for much older crypto offload hardware that may still be use. Most users should not select anything there.
If you're looking for the best OpenVPN throughput the best option currently, by some way, is to use QAT supported hardware and run OpenVPN in DCO mode.
Steve
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Also in terms of impact with those changes you are working on the down hill side of the change Bell curve. You need a lot of investment of resources to see a difference. That’s the thing being on the down hill side.
You may find the actual real world performance doesn’t change that much between Off and On.
Same reality regarding all the various NIC tweaks. Default results that are not that worse then with all the tweaks.
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@jimbob-indiana For now the best would be to place a similar processor, same generation/core count and speed that does not have AES-NI.
And run my tests.
It will not be a direct match nor have the exact effect of turning off AES-NI but it will be close
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Also on the PFSense dishboard page we see: AES-NI CPU Crypto: Yes (inactive)
If that is not true, it really should be changed.
Or should say module not loaded.
Or should say really is active but is not.
Or is.
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@n8lbv I don’t think it will show “Active” unless you are using it as in VPN, etc.
If not using any of the Apps that use it means “Inactive” is correct.
AFAIK
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@jimbob-indiana Thanks!
I will test that.
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The line in the system information widget currently shows if the CPU is reporting it supports AES-NI. It shows as active if the kernel module is loaded.
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@stephenw10 Yep my testing shows same.
Now for a repeat and continued confused person question...
open VPN uses AES-NI whether you load the module or not?Openvpn uses module if module is loaded.
Does openvpn use AES-NI in a different way if the module is loaded versus if the module is not loaded?
Also openvpn client and server have their own option to or "disable "hardware crypto acceleration"
I wonder if this could be made less confusing in the future once I understand it better.
I hope you understand my confusion a bit and are not frustrated with me asking over & over.
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@n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:
open VPN uses AES-NI whether you load the module or not?
Correct. Because OpenSSL does, except in DCO mode.
@n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:
Openvpn uses module if module is loaded.
No. Except in DCO mode.
@n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:
Does openvpn use AES-NI in a different way if the module is loaded versus if the module is not loaded?
No. Not any longer. That used to be the case a number of versions back, like in 2.3.X
Steve
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@stephenw10 Thanks! excellent clarifcations.
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Laptop single nic OpenVPN HTTP throughput test.
35Watt Laptop CPU from Jan 2009. NO-AES-NI.Intel
Core
2 Duo Processor T6400
2M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB
