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    Dobby_ @N8LBV
    last edited by Apr 25, 2023, 8:04 PM

    @n8lbv

    Intel Whitepaper for peoples who writing code
    Breakthrough AES Performance with Intel AES New Instructions

    A study of AES-NI acceleration using LibreSSL, OpenSSL
    AES-NI SSL Performance

    Different other points counting also and matching too
    Advanced Encryption Standard New Instructions
    (AES-NI) Analysis: Security, Performance, and
    Power Consumption

    A discussion on Reddit about AES-NI
    Please watch out for the comment from "jra_samba_org"

    The Algorithm itself together with AES-NI
    Rochester Institute of Technology

    AES-NI performance in other applications
    A LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE IMPACT OF HARDWARE-ACCELERATED AES

    Another different type of SSL usage, with Intel AES-NI
    Implementation and Performance of AES-NI in CyaSSL

    Under different aspects, regarding other points and after
    all reading over, it is a let us say raw frame outspeak but
    all in all AES-NI is speeding up x8 till x10 the entire usage
    of AES against pure done in software.

    #~. @Dobby

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      N8LBV @Dobby_
      last edited by Apr 27, 2023, 3:58 PM

      I still am not clearly understanding what we get in terms of AES-NI If the module is not loaded
      and AES-NI is not selected in the client or server itself.
      How is it different if the module is loaded or if the module is not loaded?
      And how is it different if it is not selected in the client or server itself?
      I have tried every combination the above and cannot see any noticeable difference in CPU usage or throughput.
      We are connected at wire speed through two PFSense systems.
      Speed test is right at 1Gbps when tested without AES/OpenVPN (two NATs)
      CPU never goes over 32%
      CPU is an older gen2 i5.
      gen2.jpg

      I will have to have more fun and testing with this.

      I feel more like I do now.

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by Apr 27, 2023, 4:22 PM

        I would not expect to any difference there because OpenSSL will use AES-NI instructions if they are available whatever setting you have there.

        To test that you would need to disable AES-NI in the BIOS to prevent OpenSSL seeing it.

        The only other test you could do here is using DCO in OpenVPN. Because that does all the encryption in kernel mode it can use the module so you would potentially see a difference. It can use the QAT module there for example and that gives a significant performance bump.

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          Dobby_ @N8LBV
          last edited by Apr 27, 2023, 10:04 PM

          @n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

          The purpose of AES-NI is to improve the speed of applications performing encryption and decryption using the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) ...

          TrueCrypt without using AES-NI ~227 MB/s
          TrueCrypt with using AES-NI ~1.8 GBit/s

          This was the software usage of AES-NI and now let us
          have a look on the transport encryption such VPN.

          In real life it would be coming on top of this
          more points that counting in or on top of it.

          • OpenSSL or LibreSSL
          • Implementation of the software
          • VPN method you are using (IPSec)

          Can you set up an IPSec tunnel using AES-GCM-128/256?
          And measure again.

          I still am not clearly understanding what we get in
          terms of AES-NI If the module is not loaded and
          AES-NI is not selected in the client or server itself.

          The code or software is benefitting from that AES-NI.

          How is it different if the module is loaded or if the
          module is not loaded?

          If you don´t see any performance gain or a better or
          higher throughput, it indicates to you that there will
          be nothing happen, based on that AES-NI function.

          In older days PC Engines Alix board were very popular
          for setting up pfSense or mOnOwall on it, VPN was at
          14.2 MBit/s throughput and together with a small
          miniPCI card from Soekris (HiFn chip) you were able
          to gain the throughput to something around 42.3
          MBit/s so this was nearly three time faster and you
          were able to see the benefit. As today CPU becomes
          more strong and fast that this AES-NI instructions perhaps
          will be not able to realize in all cases and for or from all users, because the Internet speed was also increasing much, but with a Internet connection of 50 MBit/s you
          may need or wish to scratch out all you can get, more
          then others with a 1 GBit/s line. Where it makes no
          difference they get out 100 MBit/s more or less.

          And how is it different if it is not selected in the client or > server itself?

          What you were able to see at the IPSec tunnel pushing
          a 300 MB file through?

          I have tried every combination the above and cannot
          see any noticeable difference in CPU usage or throughput.

          Perhaps your CPU is strong enough, so be happy with it.

          We are connected at wire speed through two
          PFSense systems. Speed test is right at 1Gbps
          when tested without AES/OpenVPN (two NATs)
          CPU never goes over 32%
          CPU is an older gen2 i5.

          Perhaps, from my point of view, you were not able to saturate the entire internet or vpn line and therefor
          you will be not able to see any significant gain here.

          #~. @Dobby

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            N8LBV @Dobby_
            last edited by N8LBV Apr 28, 2023, 12:46 AM Apr 28, 2023, 12:43 AM

            @dobby_ Fun stuff.
            I get the full 1Gbps if I hit the local speedtest server through the two-NAT two PFsense systems route.
            If I hit it through the Openvpn tunnel between the same two systems I am seeing the speed and CPU utilization you see in that screen capture.

            Thank you for answering all of my questions and I'm a newb at much of this.
            I'm still failing to understand why the toggleable options are there both in system\advanced
            and within the openvpn client or server items.
            Why are there they to turn on/off if it is going to go ahead and use AES-NI anyware regardless of the toggles?
            Are there two separate sets of AES-NI software?
            One (kernel level) in the module and another in userspace(default if you do not load the module?

            And what about the other toggle within the client or server ?
            Does that just tell the client or server to USE the module or to NOT to use it?

            Then if you USE the module does it stop using the _not module AES-NI in userspace?
            Or does it use a combination of BOTH versus (one or the other) when it is loaded as instructed from system\advanced?

            Thanks for being patient with me on this and for all of the information.
            -Steve

            I feel more like I do now.

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              Dobby_ @N8LBV
              last edited by Apr 28, 2023, 7:11 AM

              @n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

              I get the full 1Gbps if I hit the local speedtest server through the two-NAT two PFsense systems route.

              You may be then the lucky guy were the VPN will be
              done in raw MHz/GHz, and all is fine for you.

              But there are also other peoples out and they don`t use OPNvpn and/or WireGuard. Or they have special needs,
              an other use case and so on.

              If I hit it through the Openvpn tunnel between the same two systems I am seeing the speed and CPU utilization you see in that screen capture.

              May be but others have perhaps the need for IPSec and/or
              they are getting a gain from that AES-NI, if it is present
              and you have no other things up there such Intel QAT
              you have not the need to change, but if it is so you
              will be also the lucky one that is able to change and let
              us say you say please use QAT or an HiFn Chip or what ever is in place. So in my eyes you are looking at your situation and your hardware and all is fine.

              Thank you for answering all of my questions and I'm a newb at much of this.

              It is more to try out turn your thinking into another
              direction, because;

              • you see only your situation
              • you see only your equipment

              So you can´t understand it, let us imagine you are a company and given by law or company rules or plain insurance rules you will be pressed as the admin of the network to use something such IPSec, or other hardware
              in the company all over the world is not able to use OpnVPN and/or WireGuard, o what will you do now?

              And for that clients and peoples or plain users it is a nice
              catch or nice to have thing, that pfSense is offering to them the ability to change such things fast, to fit their
              needs.

              I'm still failing to understand why the toggleable options are there both in system\advanced
              and within the openvpn client or server items.

              Your CPU comes with AES-NI, but what will be when;

              • Your CPU is also sorted with Intel QAT and you want
                to change it now? You do you want to realize it then?
              • Your hole amount of VPN road Warriors will be hard increasing and you may want to change the chip that
                or instance that should be used for encryption, how
                you want to do this then?

              Why are there they to turn on/off if it is going to go ahead and use AES-NI anyware regardless of the toggles?

              What is when at one day other things such QAT comes
              out and you will be not able to change or say use this
              or use that?

              Are there two separate sets of AES-NI software?

              It depends often on other points and more points.
              Mostly it is only the way how it is used.
              case one:
              AES-NI is present in the CPU
              crypto dev system from the os uses a driver
              and the driver uses the AES-NI instructions set of the cpu
              case two:
              the software uses the AES-NI directly

              But in real and on top this it comes other benefits by side
              like better elliptic curve's, better cycling and so on and so on, because it is all under the heat not visible to see for
              us customers we may thinking why is it there.

              One (kernel level) in the module and another in userspace(default if you do not load the module?
              And what about the other toggle within the client or server ?

              In short it can be answered if you are not needing it makes it not obsolete to be present and let us imagine you must now feed some more 1 GBit/s lines and doing a backup
              over them, what then?

              Does that just tell the client or server to USE the module or to NOT to use it?

              I think it is more who and when it will be used;

              • OpenSSL will use it even if it is present
              • The software only if it is enabled
              • And the other benefits from it may be not known from us
                because we a re not the software coder, but anyway I will be more lucky with the situation that I am able to change
                something, against there is no way to do so.

              Then if you USE the module does it stop using the _not module AES-NI in userspace?

              Since the change from FreeBSD 12.3 to version 14.0
              there will be more changes as we end users would
              knowing about. Who knows how things will be
              changed and in wich steps this process will be done.

              Or does it use a combination of BOTH versus (one or the other) when it is loaded as instructed from system\advanced?
              Thanks for being patient with me on this and for all of the information.

              Let us say you are an engineer and you do research for
              let us say 1 million $ and now you want to go to the
              patent office to get a patent, and then this fancy new OpenVPN or WireGuard comes out and you use it, but
              someone was steeling your ideas because there where
              a not found whatever Inside, you are done!

              Other countries will be hard forbit the usage of hardware
              accelerated crypto work and now you can show them it
              is all done in pure CPU work with an unchecked AES-NI
              usage, all is then fine for you!

              #~. @Dobby

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                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by Apr 28, 2023, 11:35 AM

                @n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

                I'm still failing to understand why the toggleable options are there both in system\advanced
                and within the openvpn client or server items.
                Why are there they to turn on/off if it is going to go ahead and use AES-NI anyware regardless of the toggles?

                The crypto hardware option in System > Advanced it to choose which kernel module to load. Those modules are used by the bsd crypto framework for kernel mode crypto operations. So that's IPSec or OpenVPN in DCO mode.

                The hardware crypto option in the OpenVPN config is the equivalent of specifiying the 'engine' for OpenSSL operations. In current pfSense versions OpenSSL can't use the AES-NI module for that (and doesn't need to anyway). It exists only for much older crypto offload hardware that may still be use. Most users should not select anything there.

                If you're looking for the best OpenVPN throughput the best option currently, by some way, is to use QAT supported hardware and run OpenVPN in DCO mode.

                Steve

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                  JimBob Indiana
                  last edited by JimBob Indiana Apr 28, 2023, 10:03 PM Apr 28, 2023, 10:00 PM

                  Also in terms of impact with those changes you are working on the down hill side of the change Bell curve. You need a lot of investment of resources to see a difference. That’s the thing being on the down hill side.

                  You may find the actual real world performance doesn’t change that much between Off and On.

                  Same reality regarding all the various NIC tweaks. Default results that are not that worse then with all the tweaks.

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                    N8LBV @JimBob Indiana
                    last edited by Apr 28, 2023, 10:04 PM

                    @jimbob-indiana For now the best would be to place a similar processor, same generation/core count and speed that does not have AES-NI.
                    And run my tests.
                    It will not be a direct match nor have the exact effect of turning off AES-NI but it will be close
                    enough for what I am doing or trying to get an idea of.

                    I feel more like I do now.

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                      N8LBV @N8LBV
                      last edited by N8LBV Apr 28, 2023, 10:09 PM Apr 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

                      Also on the PFSense dishboard page we see: AES-NI CPU Crypto: Yes (inactive)
                      If that is not true, it really should be changed. 
                      Or should say module not loaded.
                      Or should say really is active but is not.
                      Or is.
                      Or is not
                      Or "maybe it is".

                      I feel more like I do now.

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                        JimBob Indiana @N8LBV
                        last edited by Apr 28, 2023, 11:10 PM

                        @n8lbv I don’t think it will show “Active” unless you are using it as in VPN, etc.

                        If not using any of the Apps that use it means “Inactive” is correct.

                        AFAIK

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                          N8LBV @JimBob Indiana
                          last edited by Apr 28, 2023, 11:36 PM

                          @jimbob-indiana Thanks!
                          I will test that.
                          Steve

                          I feel more like I do now.

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                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by Apr 28, 2023, 11:40 PM

                            The line in the system information widget currently shows if the CPU is reporting it supports AES-NI. It shows as active if the kernel module is loaded.

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                              N8LBV @stephenw10
                              last edited by N8LBV Apr 29, 2023, 12:10 AM Apr 29, 2023, 12:10 AM

                              @stephenw10 Yep my testing shows same.
                              Now for a repeat and continued confused person question...
                              open VPN uses AES-NI whether you load the module or not?

                              Openvpn uses module if module is loaded.

                              Does openvpn use AES-NI in a different way if the module is loaded versus if the module is not loaded?

                              Also openvpn client and server have their own option to or "disable "hardware crypto acceleration"

                              I wonder if this could be made less confusing in the future once I understand it better.

                              I hope you understand my confusion a bit and are not frustrated with me asking over & over.

                              I feel more like I do now.

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                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @N8LBV
                                last edited by Apr 29, 2023, 12:32 PM

                                @n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

                                open VPN uses AES-NI whether you load the module or not?

                                Correct. Because OpenSSL does, except in DCO mode.

                                @n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

                                Openvpn uses module if module is loaded.

                                No. Except in DCO mode.

                                @n8lbv said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

                                Does openvpn use AES-NI in a different way if the module is loaded versus if the module is not loaded?

                                No. Not any longer. That used to be the case a number of versions back, like in 2.3.X

                                Steve

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                                  N8LBV @stephenw10
                                  last edited by Apr 29, 2023, 6:15 PM

                                  @stephenw10 Thanks! excellent clarifcations.
                                  -Steve

                                  I feel more like I do now.

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                                    N8LBV @N8LBV
                                    last edited by Apr 29, 2023, 6:18 PM

                                    Laptop single nic OpenVPN HTTP throughput test.
                                    35Watt Laptop CPU from Jan 2009. NO-AES-NI.

                                    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T6400
                                    2M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB
                                    c2.jpg

                                    I feel more like I do now.

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                                      N8LBV @N8LBV
                                      last edited by Apr 29, 2023, 6:26 PM

                                      Same test through dual NAT no OpenVPN.
                                      That early 2009 laptop (running PFsense) has a Broadcom NIC on the mainboard.
                                      nat.jpg

                                      I feel more like I do now.

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                                        RobbieTT @stephenw10
                                        last edited by Apr 29, 2023, 6:43 PM

                                        @stephenw10 said in AES-NI and OpenVPN?:

                                        The line in the system information widget currently shows if the CPU is reporting it supports AES-NI. It shows as active if the kernel module is loaded.

                                        Just out of curiosity, why would the kernel module not be loaded?

                                         2023-04-29 at 19.39.18.png

                                        ☕️

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                                          JimBob Indiana @RobbieTT
                                          last edited by JimBob Indiana Apr 29, 2023, 7:25 PM Apr 29, 2023, 7:18 PM

                                          @robbiett Good question. Mine since I can remember said “Inactive”. I played with the VPN configuration options yesterday and today, says “Active”.

                                          I didn’t actually do a VPN.

                                          CPU Type Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz
                                          Current: 2800 MHz, Max: 3601 MHz
                                          8 CPUs: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 hardware threads
                                          AES-NI CPU Crypto: Yes (active)
                                          QAT Crypto: No
                                          Hardware crypto AES-CBC,AES-CCM,AES-GCM,AES-ICM,AES-XTS

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