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NollipfSense

@chudak said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

The plan to charge home users $399 a year

That's not their plan...that's for the TAC pro. They haven't determine the price yet, it seems they're seriously thinking about home/lab users and most likely will priced to encourage continued engagement with the community.

@chudak said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

I pay voluntarily €105/year for Proxmox PVE

I plan to do that also soon, it's highly resilient...

stephenw10

@chudak said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

I pay voluntarily €105/year for Proxmox PVE

As do I.

michmoor

@stephenw10
Figured you a XCP NG guy…

stephenw10

@michmoor said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

Figured you a XCP NG guy…

Ha, nope.

chudak

@stephenw10

Why then don't you guys follow up a good path instead of risking all?!

Darkk

@stephenw10 said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

@chudak said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

I pay voluntarily €105/year for Proxmox PVE

As do I.

Same here. ProxMox is a great product worthy of continued support. Pfsense is also another worthy product that we'd love to keep supporting it by contributing to ideas and money if possible (not $399).

eracerxrs

Why not $399 for a perpetual license, it'd be like buying one of netgate's boxes just not being constrained to the small selection of hardware.

HuskerDu

The company failed on delivering their past statement, and can no longer be trusted, and that is including the security point of view. If they lied on licences, they can lie on everything.

This fail is not due to the real home users, using Plus in good faith for years like myself, but to their inability to do their homework before their prior statement. I can understand their willingness to address abuse of the system... which should have been real harder with a good Risk Analysis (back to the point they cannot be trusted from the security point of view).

This is immediate end for me as a professional adviser of Netgate appliance. And a busy weekend from the personal point fo view.

HorstZimmermann

@HuskerDu nailed it...

NollipfSense

@HuskerDu said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

can no longer be trusted, and that is including the security point of view. If they lied on licences, they can lie on everything.

Netgate didn't lied...that's too extreme...had you read their official statement? Put yourself in their shoes...if you discovered a massive abuse, wouldn't you immediate pull the product?

Rest assured that Netgate is thing about home/lad users and will price Plus accordingly to meet the needs of the community while firewalling the abuse/abusers; however, your position on not trusting as a security point of view is too extreme...stay in the center.

HuskerDu

@NollipfSense said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

Netgate didn't lied...that's too extreme...had you read their official statement? Put yourself in their shoes...if you discovered a massive abuse, wouldn't you immediate pull the product?

That is a cultural point of view. As we say in french (google translated)

The word is as good as the man

They made a past statement, they are deciding to come back on that commitment. They are no longer trustable at all, on all subject. Full stop.

And I've then highlighted the fact that the mistake is in the original statement from 2021/2, not the current one, but that is not changing my opinion above. I understand, but I cannot give back any kind of confidence on anything related to Netgate, saying that for a product I am cherishing for a decade will be harsh on myself.

NollipfSense

@HuskerDu said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

the mistake is in the original statement from 2021/2,

But, that statement was made in ignorance that others would abuse the kindness of open source...so, you should forgive Netgate...they never intended to misled anyone.

@HuskerDu said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

saying that for a product I am cherishing for a decade will be harsh on myself.

Yes, I understand and why I am appealing to you to be easy on yourself.

Amodin

@NollipfSense said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

@HuskerDu said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

can no longer be trusted, and that is including the security point of view. If they lied on licences, they can lie on everything.

Netgate didn't lied...that's too extreme...had you read their official statement? Put yourself in their shoes...if you discovered a massive abuse, wouldn't you immediate pull the product?

Rest assured that Netgate is thing about home/lad users and will price Plus accordingly to meet the needs of the community while firewalling the abuse/abusers; however, your position on not trusting as a security point of view is too extreme...stay in the center.

No, what you do is act like a responsible security company and have license management in place to prevent the very thing you are defending them against - laziness. There's no other way to put it. Even their presence on Reddit, they are asking the USERS how to handle the situation.

Sophos has license management in place. As does every other responsible company out there licensing software. The fact that they are taking the lazy road and making everyone suffer for their misgivings says a lot about how they proceed. Do you really think that this action they are taking is going to fix their problem? No, it's going to cause them grief, all because they won't be proactive and continue to be lazy.

@NollipfSense said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

@HuskerDu said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

the mistake is in the original statement from 2021/2,

But, that statement was made in ignorance that others would abuse the kindness of open source...so, you should forgive Netgate...they never intended to misled anyone.

Just... my God. Your arms must be tired from all that armor shining.

chudak

I wonder where are @netgate guys in this discussion???

Hiding behind githib :)

Say something, don't let people hang high and dry!

perlenbacher

I wish someone (FUTO?) would fork CE and set up a new community and forum to take it forward - fully open source for the future, supported by the users.

NollipfSense

@Amodin said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

No, what you do is act like a responsible security company and have license management in place to prevent the very thing you are defending them against - laziness.

I agree that it was shortsightedness in hindsight; yet give them a chance to make it right.

@Amodin said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

Just... my God. Your arms must be tired from all that armor shining.

No, not at all; they messed up big time and I am sure they know this while hanging their heads in shame. However, in our relationship with Netgate, we should give them a hole to crawl out so we can hug again...after all, we all make mistakes and embracing our mistakes is how we grow.

NollipfSense

@chudak said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

I wonder where are @netgate guys in this discussion???

They're busy reading out comments while drafting a strategy to permanently resolve...we'll soon forget all about this...

HorstZimmermann

I don't understand the silence from netgate.

Is there anything going on to sort this out?
Or is the decision as written an will not be changed?

NollipfSense

@HorstZimmermann said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

I don't understand the silence from netgate.

They have issued an official statement already, beyond that, they're not obligated to share until a final strategy and new policy is in place...please be patient. We all need to be proactively patient...if someone needs a Plus, the instruction is to email them in the meanwhile.

HuskerDu

Do I "really" need a Plus at home ? No, in any case. I am just restricting some access and playing with pFblocker.

Do I like to have a Plus at home to play with and find ideas for work ? Yeah that was a great idea, I am preferring messing with stuff with the highest pain being complaints from my teenagers than a formal training.

The idea was brillant, the execution could have been better. The actual conclusion deceiving.