Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?
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@VerticalTechnik said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
Therefore, as soon anything comes up with above mentioned companies
Business policy = no Google, SocialMedia, CloudServices etc..
at this point these ^ are passion beliefs, not technical. Everything on that list can be mitigated, not only by Netgate but many other vendor products as well. Those categories should therefore be scoring high on your evaluation..
Still sounds like the perfect situation to have a Netgate as PART of your overall strategy.
Sounds like the score for "they use google mail" carries too much weight in your overall evaluation process. Not sure a company "using google mail" would even be a factor on any such evaluation we would use, but it could be one factor in your case, I guess.
other possible strategies might be:
a) don't use the internet at all, or;
b) find the right combination of equipment for your particular use case and move forward.part a) has a range of options: everything from literally, no internet to hand it all off to a service company that will deal with everything for you (good luck).
Certainly would not let the single "red flag" you have listed as "they use google mail" be the only factor in your decision. If that is the show stopper, won't matter what gear you pick, you will be better off with option a) in the truest form, unplugged.
If you are really making a business decision, you will have a chart comparing several factors and each potential vendor and their equipment will be listed and the pros and cons of each evaluated and scored. Then your choice is much easier.
Note: I am not affiliated with Netgate in any way, and don't care one way or the other what you choose to do.
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What I am not understanding is why you are not using a company that rates the on-line security of a company?
My company is making value changes to our security and that results in a higher rating. If we want to do business with a new company we review their rating, based on that we may or may not do business with them. We also recognize we are not security experts, so we pay a company to evaluate partners and us.
This service has highlighted several mistakes we have made that has had a real and positive effect on our security posture and located some rouge websites that we (IT) did not know about.Using Google mail for business is no different than using Microsoft. Using Google mail for business likely includes an NDA that would legally prevent them from scanning emails like they do in the free service. This does not make Google less evil...
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@VerticalTechnik said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
hile completing the security checks regarding privacy we have found that netgate.com has googlemail MX entries when checking the DNS Report.
I don't understand the issue and im trying to.
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@michmoor said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
I don't understand the issue
To OP Google = BAD... netgate uses google for email.. Like other millions of other companies.. ;) so OP doesn't want to use netgate..
Lets see netflix uses them, uber uses them.. etc.. So very big names use them.. now these are not security companies - but guess the OP shouldn't be using those services either.. itconvergence uses them too, I know they have quite a few fortune 500 customers.. Guess they didn't look into the details of how bad google is before using them ;)
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@michmoor said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
I don't understand the issue and im trying to.
IMHO, it is not an "issue" at all. But rather and simply that the OP is red flagging the purchase based (and seemingly) entirely on the fact that Netgate's mail server has an MX at Google.
Several people (me included) I think, are just trying to expand the criteria being used and therefore allowing the OP to make a more informed choice.
I don't think the conversation is really any more complicated than that. At the end of the day what the OP chooses to do, is exactly that a choice they have to make.
Except those that specifically work for Netgate (and I'm not one of them) they are the only people that would be directly impacted by the OPs view.
@johnpoz said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
To OP Google = BAD... netgate uses google for email.. Like other millions of other companies.. ;) so OP doesn't want to use netgate..
Yes, exactly. and as such is really a narrow scope as expressed.
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Ahh ok. Fair enough.
I did read through the thread so i was getting confused on the point of why using a Google-hosted server was not good but ok i gotcha.
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@michmoor So you meet a nice person you want to do some "business" with.. You exchange info and find out they use t-mobile for their cell phone.. Which you don't like, but then you find out they have a aol email address.. And your like oh.. Not going to have anything to do with this person..
Its kind of like that ;)
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@johnpoz
Time to change the criteria on how you select a business partner. lol -
@michmoor guess zscaler is out as well.. ;)
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;zscaler.com. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: zscaler.com. 3600 IN MX 10 aspmx3.googlemail.com. zscaler.com. 3600 IN MX 10 aspmx2.googlemail.com. zscaler.com. 3600 IN MX 5 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com. zscaler.com. 3600 IN MX 1 aspmx.l.google.com. zscaler.com. 3600 IN MX 5 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com.They should prob go through all of their IT equipment and pull out anything made by broadcom ;)
;broadcom.com. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 10 mx1.smtp.goog. broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 60 mx4.smtp.goog. broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 50 mx3.smtp.goog. broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 40 alt2.aspmx.l.google.com. broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 40 alt1.aspmx.l.google.com. broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 30 aspmx.l.google.com. broadcom.com. 3600 IN MX 20 mx2.smtp.goog. -
@michmoor GAFAMs.. for the ones who want to understand my thoughts on security and privacy evaluation.
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@VerticalTechnik said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
GAFAMs
Wouldn't that now be GAMAMs now.. with facebook now being Meta
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@VerticalTechnik
But how does that help
In evaluating a companies ability to do commerce or treat your data securely.Unless you are saying that because Netgate uses Google mail servers Google can read their mail…but smtp is insecure anyway so what’s the point.
If we’re being honest you just have a “security” policy of not j business with any entity that doesn’t own their mail servers which is a bit insane in 2024 but that’s your decision. It’s just strange that you’re choosing an insecure protocol by default as your decision point but ok -
@michmoor maybe he is ok with the other mail providers, and spam filtering services that many a company, and very large ones especially run their mail servers through.
Proofpoint is a big one that many a large company uses, we are moving away from them - they have been missing obvious stuff.
MS is part of GAFAM or now should really be GAMAM, so maybe they don't do business with anyone that uses any of these services. Companies putting their info up on onedrive for example.. MS prob filtering through that stuff for data as well, if they mining data in email ;)
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@VerticalTechnik said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
@michmoor GAFAMs.. for the ones who want to understand my thoughts on security and privacy evaluation.
Tell us your thoughts on the icons near the bottom of (what I assume is) your home page.
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Google is in the business of extraction of information without privacy regards...it's their nature and that's bad for the living or dead human being. I champion the small group from Spain that took on Google and won for the right to be forgotten. Doing business with Google supports that extraction. It doesn't bother me that Netgate is hosting their email server on Google...it's mostly or all encrypted emails when I communicate with the company. However, I wouldn't support Google economic extraction engine and I completely understand why that could turn off a potential client.
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PfSense needs one for alarm emails, also they have one to preset NTP on boot up before NTP servers come online for log tracking also. Don’t worry about it
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@VerticalTechnik
You haven't setup your DMARC properly.
No cloud services? what's this - Microsoft office 365.
Try to google for "could act" and you will not be able to sleep.
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@dw said in Why does netgate.com have googlemail MX record?:
You haven't setup your DMARC properly.
You really think DMARC policy stops Google...think again...here is a list from my company's DMARC report account of silly hackers attempt at using Google email service...OP's concern is legitimate..
