Will the transition to the Linux kernel bring the 3100 back to life?
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Netgate announced a while back that the 3100 would no longer be updated because FreeBSD no longer supported the 32bit architecture. Now with the announcement that pfsense is moving to a Linux kernel there doesn’t seem to be a valid reason (in my uninformed opinion) not to continue to support the 3100.
Quote from the announcement-
Expanded Hardware Support: The Linux kernel enjoys widespread adoption across a vast array of hardware architectures. This includes not only traditional x86 platforms but also other architectures such as RISC-V and ARM.Is it likely to get resurrected?
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@wgstarks That was an April fools joke.
They're not moving to Linux. -
Wasn’t very funny. 🤨
Box: SG-4200
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It would be more funny if it wasn't an april fools joke.
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There is not a note saying it is a joke. Is there an official statement that it is or is not a joke?
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@AndyRH said in Will the transition to the Linux kernel bring the 3100 back to life?:
There is not a note saying it is a joke. Is there an official statement that it is or is not a joke?
It was posted on April Fools Day and Netgate has a history of April Fools pranks. I suppose if you want an official statement you could submit a support request. Maybe if enough people did that it would turn the prank back on them.
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All of the previous ones added an April fools message at the end.
As it stands they ARE saying to the world they are moving to Linux. I believe only a small subset of people looking at the Netgate site would run across a post by some random person saying the Linux move is a joke.
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@AndyRH
official statement sort of -
The same issues would still apply though. It's the only ARM 32 device we support so effort required to keep it functional becomes high.
That said 24.03 will support the 3100, it's not dead yet! There are some packages which no longer build on armv7 though so will not be available, notably Squid.
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@stephenw10 said in Will the transition to the Linux kernel bring the 3100 back to life?:
The same issues would still apply though. It's the only ARM 32 device we support so effort required to keep it functional becomes high.
That said 24.03 will support the 3100, it's not dead yet! There are some packages which no longer build on armv7 though so will not be available, notably Squid.
Thanks. I’m not still using the 3100 (replaced by 4200) but I will likely go ahead and update it since I’m hanging on to it as an emergency replacement for the 4200 if ever needed. Better than just sending it to the dump as e-waste.
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@wgstarks I concur actually, that it wasn't funny. I think it could have been, if they'd made it just slightly more sarcastic and clear it was a joke.
For instance, TrueNAS made one about moving to Windows, of course most instantly knew this had to be a joke since they would never, but they also made it a lot more clear by being silly about it and marking it april fools.
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@wgstarks I don't see it as a joke, since the folks supporting the various flavors of BSD have been recommending for the last year or so that people move to your favorite flavor of Linux OS since BSD has serious known hardware compatibility issues that the software engineers at BSD DO NOT want to fix. If you don't believe it, just check out the support forums for your favorite flavor of BSD.
I think it makes good sense that Netgate would be revisiting linux as a better OS for the future of pfsense.
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@planedrop said in Will the transition to the Linux kernel bring the 3100 back to life?:
For instance, TrueNAS made one about moving to Windows, of course most instantly knew this had to be a joke since they would never, but they also made it a lot more clear by being silly about it and marking it april fools.
So i too believed it was a joke at first but as i read more, began to question that stance too - that one article caused me to go back 'n forth several times! The fact that they chose to use TrueNAS as an example is for me the problem here: as we know, iXsystems does indeed have a linux-based version of their software called Scale which differentiates from its FreeBSD equivalent called Core. Its use as an example was on the nose for some unfortunatly and likely deviated the article from the jovial intentions.
Not trying to be a buzzkil, honestly.
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@Popolou Yeah agreed with you here, that was one of the things that solidified it as possibly real to me.
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If it was a joke, the bad thing is anyone searching Google for "pfsense linux" will find that blog post which, as far as I'm concerned, shows zero indication it is a joke... other than being posted on April 1.
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@juanzelli Yeah the only other indication is the link to a previous (much more clear) April Fools post.
I still don't like it and still wonder how much of this might have been "let's see what users think of this" sort of thing.
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@planedrop said in Will the transition to the Linux kernel bring the 3100 back to life?:
@juanzelli Yeah the only other indication is the link to a previous (much more clear) April Fools post.
I still don't like it and still wonder how much of this might have been "let's see what users think of this" sort of thing.
I thinking THE MOST DANGEROUS INDICATOR are: taking this “joke” as SERIOUS plans, PFSENSE USERS (both new and old) SHOW THAT THEY DO NOT TRUST IN NETGATE STABILITY,- in terms THEY NOT SURE that Netgate company NEVER USE IT AS “PETS FOR EXPERIMENTING”.
This mean, USERS NOT SURE that investing years of worktime, efforts, and money (in case Plus version), one day they all not able to see “wow! now we move on next platform because we able to do” sticker on a new version of pfSense.
Of course this all not matter in case deeply inside Netgate take a decision to move on PROPERTY ROAD, where KPI&money income matter and open source community & user base USED ONLY AS NO-COST BETA-TESTERS.
Again one time: the FACT, THAT MOST USERS ACCEPT THIS INFO AS NETGATE’S REAL INTENT - VERY BAD INDICATOR, - this mean ONLY FEW from hundreds of thousands pfSense’s USERS SURE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT NETGATE COMPANY NEWER DOING.
It’s not about FLEXIBILITY of company, this is about TRUSTWORTHY and protecting personal investments…
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@Sergei_Shablovsky said in Will the transition to the Linux kernel bring the 3100 back to life?:
Of course this all not matter in case deeply inside Netgate take a decision to move on PROPERTY ROAD, where KPI&money income matter and open source community & user base USED ONLY AS NO-COST BETA-TESTERS.
Oh come on, based on recent years the evidence is that paying customers are being used as paying beta testers for the later released open source version ;)
