WAN periodically Rebooting

diyhouse

@stephenw10
Yes,.. that's what I wondered,. but was not sure,...
Thinking about connectivity,.. and stability,... A year or so ago,.. my system would run for months,.. even during power cuts,.. so 100+ day of run time was no issue,..
the WAN on the other hand would run for a week or so,.. maybe 3,.. then reboot,... which I took/assumed was BT enforcing their ( you cannot keep the same IP ),..
But now I wonder if this was a symptom,.. of the line performance degrading,... as it is now happening more and more,..
I was hoping that a 'weekly' WAN reboot would keep 'BT happy',.. and stop them forcing reboots an inopportune moments,.. during the day... but no.
The frequency of WAN reboots has over the last several months increased,.. and ( like things that change slowly ) you don't seem to notice the trend..
So looking at the big picture as they say,.. I think I need to contact BT support for some 'line performance help'... as things seem to point to line degradation,.. over the last 6+ months... or do you think i'm barking up the wrong tree....
pls feel free to disagree

stephenw10

Well I've never had that issue. BT only disconnects their end when there's a problem. So I wouldn't expect you to have to reconnect at all.

So, yes, it could be some upstream issue. It's odd though that it doesn't just time out. It would be nice to get some logs showing whatever triggers it. Somehow.

Ah OK edit the mpd custom conf file you created and uncomment the 'log' line there. If you change it to log +all you will see a lot of logging. Possibly too much!
But you should be able enable or disable the options there to get reasonable logging and see what's happening.

stephenw10

And by a lot I mean it logs every second:

Aug 15 22:27:27 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout()
Aug 15 22:27:27 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires()
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() done
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done at timer.c:50
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() at timer.c:50
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Starting timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() for 1000 ms at bund.c:1678
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	[opt4] OUT util: total 6% 0% 1% 0% 1% 36% 1%
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	[opt4] IN util: total 18% 0% 1% 0% 1% 103% 3%
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	[opt4] 1 1 1 1 1 1
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout()
Aug 15 22:27:26 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires()
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() done
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done at timer.c:50
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() at timer.c:50
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	EVENT: Starting timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() for 1000 ms at bund.c:1678
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	[opt4] OUT util: total 6% 1% 0% 1% 0% 1% 36%
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	[opt4] IN util: total 18% 1% 0% 1% 0% 1% 103%
Aug 15 22:27:25 	ppp 	4348 	[opt4] 1 1 1 1 1 1

diyhouse

@stephenw10
Tx Stephen,.. File edited,.. and logging enabled... WAN re-started 8:30am


Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() done
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done at timer.c:50
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() at timer.c:50
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Starting timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() for 1000 ms at bund.c:1678
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	[wan] OUT util: total 32% 30% 15% 60% 33% 3% 50%
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	[wan] IN util: total 207% 11% 5% 1119% 21% 2% 84%
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	[wan] 1 1 1 1 1 1
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout()
Aug 16 09:17:24	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires()
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() done
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done at timer.c:50
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() at timer.c:50
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	EVENT: Starting timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() for 1000 ms at bund.c:1678
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	[wan] OUT util: total 25% 6% 30% 15% 60% 33% 3%
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	[wan] IN util: total 196% 21% 11% 5% 1119% 21% 2%
Aug 16 09:17:23	ppp	9394	[wan] 1 1 1 1 1 1

stephenw10

Nothing else shown? Nothing at 8.30? I imagine there are a massive amount of logs!

diyhouse

@stephenw10
Yes I had an event at 4:05pm this afternoon,.. unfortunately I was out,.. just got back and extened log length. to 20000 lines,.. and this still only takes me back 15 mins,..
So will have to wait a little longer... dam

diyhouse

@diyhouse
This is a typical log throughput ATM,...

Aug 16 18:19:03	ppp	9394	[wan] 1 1 1 1 1 1
Aug 16 18:19:03	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout()
Aug 16 18:19:03	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires()
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() done
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done at timer.c:50
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() at timer.c:50
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Starting timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() for 1000 ms at bund.c:1678
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	[wan] OUT util: total 132% 32% 5% 350% 41% 27% 337%
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	[wan] IN util: total 8052% 821% 6% 30182% 108% 6% 17191%
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	[wan] 1 1 1 1 1 1
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout()
Aug 16 18:19:02	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires()
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	EVENT: Processing timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() done
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done at timer.c:50
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	EVENT: Registering event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() at timer.c:50
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	EVENT: Starting timer "BundBm" BundBmTimeout() for 1000 ms at bund.c:1678
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	[wan] OUT util: total 82% 37% 32% 5% 350% 41% 27%
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	[wan] IN util: total 5191% 26% 821% 6% 30182% 108% 6%
Aug 16 18:19:01	ppp	9394	[wan] 1 1 1 1 1 1

stephenw10

Yeah +all is probably more than you need. You should be able to enable those things individually. Though I'm not sure which one you would need.

Gertjan

@diyhouse said in WAN periodically Rebooting:

and this still only takes me back 15 mins

IF you have some disk space left, you could goto Status > System Logs > Settings and make the log files (way) bigger :

diyhouse

@Gertjan Yes many tx,.. I wondered if there was a parameter to limit log file size.
Although I had created at listing limit of 100000lines... it didn't seem that big.
One thing I might add the the wonderful pfsense dev. boys/girls,... is it would be nice to set the size limit in some more appro. units,.. eg meg bytes, or gig bytes,... pls
thankyou
BTW gone as big as system lets me,.. 2000000000bytes,.. or 2gigs as I recokon.. I have 99G free,.. but guess system is considering all log files,..

Gertjan

@diyhouse said in WAN periodically Rebooting:

Although I had created at listing limit of 100000lines...

That a GUI setting.
100000 lines in a GUI is ... 'bad' as PHP is very low with 'thoudands' and things go downhill after hundreds of thousands. Until PHP breaks trying to show it.
Big log files are meant to be show 'on the command line'. Or use SSH+FTP = SFTP, which supports stuf like this in the blink of an eye.

@diyhouse said in WAN periodically Rebooting:

some more appro. units,.. eg meg bytes, or gig bytes,... pls
thankyou

Would be nice for the ones who are asking ... but never looked / found the log files.
The ones who 'know', don't bother, they go straight to the source, as things down there are the same dor the last several decades already ^^

Btw : huge log files are 'nice', because it gives you a big overview of what heppens.
But then pfSense has to rotate them, and that takes a lot of resource (CPU power etc) and not every pfSense has big drives, and endless write cycles, etc.
Running out of disk space is a known issue also.

diyhouse

@Gertjan Tx for the comments,..
I will drop the GUI max lines down though,...
BTW,.. Log files,.. where are they stored in the file structure?
this is my current file system

Filesystem                          Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
zroot/ROOT/default                  100G    1.2G     99G     1%    /
devfs                               1.0K      0B    1.0K     0%    /dev
zroot/tmp                            99G    356K     99G     0%    /tmp
zroot/var                            99G    413M     99G     0%    /var
zroot                                99G     88K     99G     0%    /zroot
zroot/reservation                   110G     96K    110G     0%    /zroot/reservation
zroot/ROOT/default/var_cache_pkg     99G    177M     99G     0%    /var/cache/pkg
zroot/ROOT/default/var_db_pkg        99G    5.4M     99G     0%    /var/db/pkg
tmpfs                               4.0M    152K    3.9M     4%    /var/run

stephenw10

They are in /var/log. For the purposes of testing here I wouldn't worry about having larger log files but I would probably set them back when you're done.

diyhouse

@stephenw10
Just a quick up date,.. still waiting for a failure event,.. had been running for 15hrs+ then hit midnight Sunday forced WAN reset,.. 7.5hrs on the clock and counting,..
disk space still good,.. although I have used / lost 1gig of available storage..
But looking in /var/log I have this now as the big hitters on files,
I guess as folks have commented,. we'll see how much horsepower my cpu has to cope with the compression etc,.. when the file get rotated..

-rw-------  1 root wheel 68420964 Aug 18 07:42 system.log
-rw-------  1 root wheel 68386081 Aug 18 07:42 ppp.log
-rw-------  1 root wheel 10161552 Aug 18 07:42 filter.log
-rw-------  1 root wheel  4329357 Aug 18 07:42 nginx.log
-rw-------  1 root wheel  1226791 Aug 18 07:42 dhcpd.log
-rw-------  1 root wheel   511488 Sep  6  2020 relayd.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root wheel   135309 Sep  6  2020 bsdinstall_log
-rw-------  1 root wheel    99799 Aug 18 07:37 gateways.log
-rw-------  1 root wheel    66259 Aug 13 22:12 dhcpd.log.1.bz2

diyhouse

@diyhouse
PPP_Log Failure.zip
WAN has just fallen over @14:10
My the 'force' be with you,... ( hope this is the bits you need )
EDIT: replace txt file with compressed zip file

diyhouse

@diyhouse
Had to save file as attachment,.. as broke the 32K char. submission limit
Thanks...

diyhouse

@diyhouse
Just realised these statements entries are the indicators that things have failed, I think... IMHO,..

Aug 18 14:32:14	ppp	67004	[wan] OUT util: total 81% 10% 67% 109% 4% 39% 255%
Aug 18 14:32:14	ppp	67004	[wan] IN util: total 5511% 8% 8374% 0% 5% 7560% 17117%

So have gone back trough the logs pre 14:10...
PPP_PreFailog.zip
compressed Log file attached
As background,.. Netflix was in full HD stream,.. as well as streaming some YouTube,.. and there was an Alexa sound streaming going on as well...
And its just died again...
EDIT: changed file to compressed version

diyhouse

@diyhouse
PPP_FullFAILlog.zip

Hope this helps some more,.. 2nd event will full events before and after

stephenw10

Hmm, that first disconnect looks different. It logged an LCP timeout which is more like what I expect:

[wan_link0] LCP: no reply to 5 echo request(s)
Aug 18 14:10:15
ppp
67004
EVENT: Processing timer "FsmKeepAlive" FsmEchoTimeout()
Aug 18 14:10:15
ppp
67004

It then reconnects 9s later.

[wan_link0] PPPoE: connection successful
Aug 18 14:10:24

Same thing happened on that last disconnect:

Aug 18 15:02:13	ppp	67004	[wan_link0] LCP: no reply to 5 echo request(s)

So both those are a reaction to the upstream server failing to respond to the LCP echos.
However I would expect to see those logged with the default logging settings and we did not see that previously.

diyhouse

@stephenw10 Many Tx for the feedback Stephen,..
I have tried to do some more 'searching',.. for events,.. have tried 'vi ppp.log' in ssh window,.. but not enough privs.. and using the file edit function, causes a php crash,..
So all I can probably do for now is wait for some more events,. and pull the associated logs as and when,. unless you have any other suggestions..
Also thinking,.. I did notice the re-connection stuff happens a while after the actual WAN looses connectivity ( obviously.. ) ,.. could it be I did not go back far enough in the logs initially?
I have tried to go back to these logs,. but I guess they are archived now.. is there any way to pull these logs,.. USB stick and copy files,..
I can see this would blow holes in any security,.. so I'm guessing that's a no no...