DNSSEC on pfSense

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@ToxIcon:

Thanks jlepthien :)

So that was the problem? You could have easily found out by looking at the logs ;-)

yes that was the problem

I know I know that is what I get for rushing and the bad part is that I have a sticky posted on the box
to always check the logs when trying to fix connection error.

Unbound taste great less filling works great :=)

mromero

http://tjeb.nl/Projects/DNSSEC/index.html

http://bogussig.dnssec.tjeb.nl/Projects/DNSSEC/index.html

First One Yes

Second One No.

Is there a script to do this? I could set up a page but maybe it is beyond me….

@clarknova:

Looks like Borat is no longer with us :(
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/dnssec-or-not.org

Here's another site, although a lot less satisfying to use, and not just because there's no Borat. A lookup failure is really a lame way to confirm that DNSSEC is working, considering many other factors could cause this, leading to an illusion of security. Bravo, Comcast. Anybody know of a better test site? Google results look sparse.

http://www.dnssec-failed.org

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Unbound 1.2.9 updated broke

php: : The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound-control start'
returned exit code '1', the output was '[1294954557]
unbound[37313:0] fatal error: user 'unbound' does not exist.'

php: /pkg_edit.php: The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound-control start'
returned exit code '1', the output was '[1294954577] unbound[60423:0]
fatal error: user 'unbound' does not exist.'

php: /pkg_edit.php: The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound-control start'
returned exit code '1', the output was '[1294954608] unbound[37078:0]
fatal error: user 'unbound' does not exist.'

jlepthien

@ToxIcon:

Unbound 1.2.9 updated broke

php: : The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound-control start'
returned exit code '1', the output was '[1294954557]
unbound[37313:0] fatal error: user 'unbound' does not exist.'

php: /pkg_edit.php: The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound-control start'
returned exit code '1', the output was '[1294954577] unbound[60423:0]
fatal error: user 'unbound' does not exist.'

php: /pkg_edit.php: The command '/usr/local/sbin/unbound-control start'
returned exit code '1', the output was '[1294954608] unbound[37078:0]
fatal error: user 'unbound' does not exist.'

Try removing and reinstalling the package. Also watch the system.log while installing - you should see that the unbound user is added…

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Beginning package installation for Unbound…
Downloading package configuration file... done.
Saving updated package information... done.
Downloading Unbound and its dependencies...
Checking for package installation...
Downloading http://files.pfsense.org/packages/8/All/unbound-1.4.7.tbz ... could not download from there or http://ftp2.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/All/unbound-1.4.7.tbz.
of unbound-1.4.7 failed!

Installation aborted.Backing up libraries...
Removing package...
Starting package deletion for unbound-1.4.7...done.
Starting package deletion for expat-2.0.1_1...done.
Starting package deletion for libevent-1.4.14b_1...done.
Removing Unbound components...
Tabs items... done.
Menu items... done.
Services... done.
Loading package instructions...
Include file unbound.inc could not be found for inclusion.
Deinstall commands...
Not executing custom deinstall hook because an include is missing.
Removing package instructions...done.
Auxiliary files... done.
Package XML... done.
Configuration... done.
Cleaning up... Failed to install package.

Installation halted.

mromero

Oh boy. Looks like the PFSENSE 2.0 Beta package installation is broken again.

We had this a few weeks ago with the Squid package - holding off on updating until someone confirms it is fixed.

I keep two boxes so when the snapshot is broken I go to the other box until a fix issued. :(

@ToxIcon:

Beginning package installation for Unbound…
Downloading package configuration file... done.
Saving updated package information... done.
Downloading Unbound and its dependencies...
Checking for package installation...
Downloading http://files.pfsense.org/packages/8/All/unbound-1.4.7.tbz ... could not download from there or http://ftp2.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/All/unbound-1.4.7.tbz.
of unbound-1.4.7 failed!

Installation aborted.Backing up libraries...
Removing package...
Starting package deletion for unbound-1.4.7...done.
Starting package deletion for expat-2.0.1_1...done.
Starting package deletion for libevent-1.4.14b_1...done.
Removing Unbound components...
Tabs items... done.
Menu items... done.
Services... done.
Loading package instructions...
Include file unbound.inc could not be found for inclusion.
Deinstall commands...
Not executing custom deinstall hook because an include is missing.
Removing package instructions...done.
Auxiliary files... done.
Package XML... done.
Configuration... done.
Cleaning up... Failed to install package.

Installation halted.

johnpoz

I did not have any issues updating to 1.2.9

Where you could run into issues with download is if your pfsense box is using itself as dns.. Have run into this with even just updates of snaps all the packages fail to reinstall.

I just changed mine in general to use 4.2.2.2 and then clicked update from 1.2.8 to 1.2.9 and went smooth as silk..

Now looking at the new acl tab, I could create an allow acl – but allow snoop get this error

"allow_snoop is not a valid ACL Action. Please select one of the four actions defined in the list."

I picked it from the list ;) hehehe

edit: btw borat is back with us http://test.dnssec-or-not.org/ is working from here.

iFloris

Hey guys,

Just saw a pretty interesting piece on the actual safety of DNSSEC as opposed to it's actual safety.
Since this thread resolves around the usage and implementation of DNSSEC, this might be relevant to your interests.

From 10-devious-new-ways-that-computer-hackers-can-control-your-machines-or-fix-them

The greatest DOS attack of all time, and how to stop it forever
Among hackers, University of Chicago computer scientist and crypto expert Dan Bernstein (often known by his handle DJB) is a legend. He's written some of the most secure code known to humanity (just try to fuck with qmail - you can't), and has lobbied ceaselessly - and snarkily - for the eradication of broken security systems online. He gave a mad genius presentation where he revealed that the oft-touted network security system DNSSEC is actually so badly-designed that it would make the perfect denial-of-service attack tool. And then he proposed a mindblowing, futuristic system of sending data over the Web that would make it nearly impossible to launch a DOS attack - and would prevent bad guys from sending your secure data to mobsters instead of your bank. The cool part about DJB's new system, based on encryption tools he calls DNSCurve and CurveCP, is that it could be implemented now, on top of the Web as we know it. And the best part? It's lightning fast. Listening to DJB's talk gave me hope for the future of the Web - and his devastating takedown of DNSSEC was the best example of smartypants trolling you'll hear this year.

Note - to watch the video, just skip past the first several minutes, where the organizers were setting up the talk and getting everybody seated.

And the video.

wagonza

@johnpoz:

"allow_snoop is not a valid ACL Action. Please select one of the four actions defined in the list."

I picked it from the list ;) hehehe

tut tut - I must have missed that one. Thanks johnpoz, will sort that out.

wagonza

@iFloris:

Hey guys,

Just saw a pretty interesting piece on the actual safety of DNSSEC as opposed to it's actual safety.
Since this thread resolves around the usage and implementation of DNSSEC, this might be relevant to your interests.

From 10-devious-new-ways-that-computer-hackers-can-control-your-machines-or-fix-them

The greatest DOS attack of all time, and how to stop it forever
Among hackers, University of Chicago computer scientist and crypto expert Dan Bernstein (often known by his handle DJB) is a legend. He's written some of the most secure code known to humanity (just try to fuck with qmail - you can't), and has lobbied ceaselessly - and snarkily - for the eradication of broken security systems online. He gave a mad genius presentation where he revealed that the oft-touted network security system DNSSEC is actually so badly-designed that it would make the perfect denial-of-service attack tool. And then he proposed a mindblowing, futuristic system of sending data over the Web that would make it nearly impossible to launch a DOS attack - and would prevent bad guys from sending your secure data to mobsters instead of your bank. The cool part about DJB's new system, based on encryption tools he calls DNSCurve and CurveCP, is that it could be implemented now, on top of the Web as we know it. And the best part? It's lightning fast. Listening to DJB's talk gave me hope for the future of the Web - and his devastating takedown of DNSSEC was the best example of smartypants trolling you'll hear this year.

Note - to watch the video, just skip past the first several minutes, where the organizers were setting up the talk and getting everybody seated.

And the video.

There are so many different conflicting views scattered around the web. Have a look at http://www.isc.org/community/blog/201002/whither-dnscurve for Paul Vixie's take and then various other opinions here http://www.dnssec.net/why-deploy-dnssec

iFloris

@wagonza:

There are so many different conflicting views scattered around the web.

Thank you for those links, it is very interesting to see the debate on which next-generation dns protocol to use.
However, if it is true that dnssec functions as a 30x multiplier for udp packets and the replies can be reflected to a different address, then that would be Very Bad Indeed.
Or am I mistaken in assuming this?

wagonza

@iFloris:

Thank you for those links, it is very interesting to see the debate on which next-generation dns protocol to use.
However, if it is true that dnssec functions as a 30x multiplier for udp packets and the replies can be reflected to a different address, then that would be Very Bad Indeed.
Or am I mistaken in assuming this?

Not at all wrong - its debatable on how much network traffic increase it will have but it definitely will increase. The larger size of DNSSEC responses does mean that it wont always fit into the normal UDP DNS traffic. So some of the 'older' DNS servers who are limited to 512bytes might switch to TCP for resolving. This obviously has impact on servers and bandwidth usage. I remember seeing a figure of around an estimated 2% in increase of traffic.

I am by no means an expert on the subject and still learning :)

wagonza

@wagonza:

@johnpoz:

"allow_snoop is not a valid ACL Action. Please select one of the four actions defined in the list."

I picked it from the list ;) hehehe

tut tut - I must have missed that one. Thanks johnpoz, will sort that out.

Fixed.

wagonza

@jlepthien:

Also did that update now. Config stays the same, except the interface problem I also have. Just one of my normally three selected interfaces (LAN) was active for the usage of Unbound…

Please reinstall and test - it works for me now on the latest commit.

jlepthien

Yep, worked after my latest firmware update. Thanks!

wagonza

@jlepthien:

Yep, worked after my latest firmware update. Thanks!

wicked! good to hear

wagonza

@johnpoz:

OK so I updated my snap, and now its showing my domain overrides.

Domain overrides

stub-zone:
name: "test.ip"
stub-addr: 192.168.1.4
stub-prime: no

But I agree its not working like it should.. So there is a server at 192.168.1.4 running bind with a zone for test.ip

see – if I query it directly authoritative for the host3 record I created.

; <<>> DiG 9.7.2-P3 <<>> @192.168.1.4 host3.test.ip
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15037
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;host3.test.ip. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
host3.test.ip. 21600 IN A 192.168.1.101

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
test.ip. 21600 IN NS p4-28g.local.lan.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
p4-28g.local.lan. 21600 IN A 192.168.1.4

;; Query time: 5 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.4#53(192.168.1.4)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 10 23:32:39 2011
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 93

Now if I ask the pfsense box that has an override set to ask 192.168.1.4 for the domain test.ip it also gives me back servfail

; <<>> DiG 9.7.2-P3 <<>> @192.168.1.253 host3.test.ip
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 49426
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;host3.test.ip. IN A

;; Query time: 11 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.253#53(192.168.1.253)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 10 23:40:03 2011
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31

So seems domain override is not working??

Currently running
2.0-BETA5 (i386)
built on Mon Jan 10 13:14:45 EST 2011

Ok I managed to get time to simulate this. I see the answer is returned however Unbound is still returning a SERVFAIL. Will investigate further as to why… :-\

wagonza

@wagonza:

@johnpoz:

OK so I updated my snap, and now its showing my domain overrides.

Domain overrides

stub-zone:
name: "test.ip"
stub-addr: 192.168.1.4
stub-prime: no

But I agree its not working like it should.. So there is a server at 192.168.1.4 running bind with a zone for test.ip

see – if I query it directly authoritative for the host3 record I created.

; <<>> DiG 9.7.2-P3 <<>> @192.168.1.4 host3.test.ip
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15037
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;host3.test.ip. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
host3.test.ip. 21600 IN A 192.168.1.101

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
test.ip. 21600 IN NS p4-28g.local.lan.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
p4-28g.local.lan. 21600 IN A 192.168.1.4

;; Query time: 5 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.4#53(192.168.1.4)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 10 23:32:39 2011
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 93

Now if I ask the pfsense box that has an override set to ask 192.168.1.4 for the domain test.ip it also gives me back servfail

; <<>> DiG 9.7.2-P3 <<>> @192.168.1.253 host3.test.ip
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 49426
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;host3.test.ip. IN A

;; Query time: 11 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.253#53(192.168.1.253)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 10 23:40:03 2011
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31

So seems domain override is not working??

Currently running
2.0-BETA5 (i386)
built on Mon Jan 10 13:14:45 EST 2011

Ok I managed to get time to simulate this. I see the answer is returned however Unbound is still returning a SERVFAIL. Will investigate further as to why… :-\

Ok sorted - fix committed. Reinstall package and let me know how it goes.

thx