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    • J Offline
      johnodon
      last edited by

      Hello all…first post here.

      I am a retired ipCop user from about 5 years ago.  I had to resort to a little plastic box router since I was moving into an apartment.  Now that I am back in a house, I wanted to move to a more robust solution (even though I'll probably use onloy 10% of pfSense's abilities).  I asked a coworker is was still using ipcop and he pointed me to pfSense.

      So, my very basic question is this...

      I just bought a Dell Poweredge 1750 (the specs are listed below).  I plan on using pfSense in a very limited fashion...port forwarding, reserved IPs, etc.  No VPN tunneling or the sort (not right now anyway).  Also, I will not be running a DMZ so a 3rd NIC is not required.  I just want to know (mainly from people who have experiece with the Poweredges) if there are any common pitfalls that I should be aware of with the 1750's...scsi, xeon, ECC memory, PSU, etc.?  I have searched the forum for everything "poweredge" and nothing really jumped out.

      Model:  1750 Dell PowerEdge
      Processor:  2 x Intel Xeon 2.4GHz / 1 MB Cache / 533MHz FSB
      Memory Installed:  1 GB 1GB RAM 
      Memory Type:  4x 256MB PC-2100R ECC DDR SDRAM
      Hard Drives:  1x 36GB Ultra320 10K SCSI Drive and Tray Installed
      Riser Board:  PCI Riser Board with 2 PCI-X ports
      External Media:  CD-ROM and Floppy
      Power Supply:  320W Hot Plug Power Supplies - Optional Upgrade to Two
      Backplane:  1 x 3 Bay 80Pin Hot Swap Ultra320 SCSI
      Ethernet:  2x Onboard Dual Gigabit Intel 1000 Pro
      Video:  8MB ATI Rage XL PCI video controller
      Form Factor:  1U Rack Height

      I assume that the 1GB of RAM should be more than sufficient.  Is there any advantage to upgrading to 2GB...given my current and future use?

      TIA,

      John

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        versendaal
        last edited by

        I've installed pfsense on a 1750 and it looked fine. I actually kind of used it to clear the disks…so i didn't do much after the installation.
        1Gb of ram should be enough, but why use such a "heavy" machine? I would prefer a more energy efficient solution for a home situation. (but thats because we pay $ 0,28 per kwh.  :-X

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          tacfit
          last edited by

          That machine should work a treat. I've used pfsense on old 1650s and 1550s, and today have it on a PowerEdge R210 (which is lovely!) I've also had it on all kinds of random old desktops, some with 256mb RAM… so you'll be set. I don't think you'll have any need to upgrade the RAM unless you've got 17 kids and they're all heavy BitTorrent users.

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            johnodon
            last edited by

            Thank you for the reassurance guys!

            I have one question…

            Riser Board:  PCI Riser Board with 2 PCI-X ports

            I know the PCI-X is backward compatible with PCI (a PCI-X card in a PCI slot) although it will talk down.  Is the reverse true...PCI card in a PCI-X slot?  Will it even fit?

            Eventhough I said that I have no need for a DMZ, I am thinking of future proofing and putting a 3rd NIC in.  However, the only slots I have available are PCI-X and the only NIC cards I have are PCI.  Would I be better off finding a Intel Pro 1000 PCI-X card on Ebay cheap and using that?

            TIA,

            John

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              tacfit
              last edited by

              You could try calling Dell and see if they'll answer the question directly. I can't comment too much on the hardware, but you should be able to pick those things up pretty cheap in the future if you need them.

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                dreamslacker
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                @johnodon:

                Thank you for the reassurance guys!

                I have one question…

                Riser Board:  PCI Riser Board with 2 PCI-X ports

                I know the PCI-X is backward compatible with PCI (a PCI-X card in a PCI slot) although it will talk down.  Is the reverse true...PCI card in a PCI-X slot?  Will it even fit?

                Eventhough I said that I have no need for a DMZ, I am thinking of future proofing and putting a 3rd NIC in.  However, the only slots I have available are PCI-X and the only NIC cards I have are PCI.  Would I be better off finding a Intel Pro 1000 PCI-X card on Ebay cheap and using that?

                TIA,

                John

                Check the key configuration on the PCI cards you have.  A dual-voltage card will fit into the PCI-X slot without issues.  A 3v3 only card would not fit into a PCI-X slot keyed for 5v only, vice versa.

                It is safer to get a Pro/1000 MT PCI-X card from Ebay cheap.  The reason is that the onboard NICs might be riding off the PCI-X bus.  Placing a 32bit/ 33MHz NIC in the PCI-X slot will force the entire bus to downgrade to 33MHz.  i.e.  You end up with 266MB/s of bandwidth for 3 GBe nics and quite possibly the SCSI controller as well.

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                  johnodon
                  last edited by

                  @dreamslacker:

                  @johnodon:

                  Thank you for the reassurance guys!

                  I have one question…

                  Riser Board:  PCI Riser Board with 2 PCI-X ports

                  I know the PCI-X is backward compatible with PCI (a PCI-X card in a PCI slot) although it will talk down.  Is the reverse true...PCI card in a PCI-X slot?  Will it even fit?

                  Eventhough I said that I have no need for a DMZ, I am thinking of future proofing and putting a 3rd NIC in.  However, the only slots I have available are PCI-X and the only NIC cards I have are PCI.  Would I be better off finding a Intel Pro 1000 PCI-X card on Ebay cheap and using that?

                  TIA,

                  John

                  Check the key configuration on the PCI cards you have.  A dual-voltage card will fit into the PCI-X slot without issues.  A 3v3 only card would not fit into a PCI-X slot keyed for 5v only, vice versa.

                  It is safer to get a Pro/1000 MT PCI-X card from Ebay cheap.  The reason is that the onboard NICs might be riding off the PCI-X bus.  Placing a 32bit/ 33MHz NIC in the PCI-X slot will force the entire bus to downgrade to 33MHz.  i.e.  You end up with 266MB/s of bandwidth for 3 GBe nics and quite possibly the SCSI controller as well.

                  Perfect!!!  Thank you so much.  Off to Ebay I go.  :)

                  John

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                    mhab12
                    last edited by

                    As i just posted in another thread, I have had problems with the 1750 OEM cdrom reading burned pfSense discs.  I eventually had to upgrade to a slim CDRW to remedy the problem.  Don't go banging your head against the wall and reburning CDs if you have strange lockups/read-errors on boot; it's likely the drives fault.

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                      johnodon
                      last edited by

                      @mhab12:

                      As i just posted in another thread, I have had problems with the 1750 OEM cdrom reading burned pfSense discs.  I eventually had to upgrade to a slim CDRW to remedy the problem.  Don't go banging your head against the wall and reburning CDs if you have strange lockups/read-errors on boot; it's likely the drives fault.

                      I saw that thread when I was doing my research.  Good to know…thank you.  I have a spare slim drive from an IBM lying around collecting dust.

                      John

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                        yngndrw
                        last edited by

                        On my old 1850 I also had problems with the CD drive (And even had problems with my external CD drive) - Ended up installing everything from a USB HDD.

                        Their latest server have fixed the issue now it seem though.

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