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    • jimpJ
      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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      One thing I'd be wary of in the net6501 case is putting an mSATA card in the slot by the CPU. With no active cooling in the case, the CPU gets quite hot and the card in the slot next to the CPU will get a bit of heat from that as well. In the wrong environment I could see that killing an mSATA drive (or at least harming its performance in some way)

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        nexus_VI
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        I tried with the 2G image, sadly the results are the same:

        ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119
        ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119
        ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119

        Is buying a new CF card my best bet, or even my only choice?</nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error></nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error></nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error>

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          wm408
          last edited by

          Thx Jimp.  Yeah slot 00 is the farthest from, 01 being closer.  The run time on this mSATA card is so little that I don't think that's a factor yet for me.  But I will follow that rule for sure.

          Hey Jimp with this card, I am not sure if its relevant but I found a thread with sort of similar problems to mine here: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/HDD-READ-Timeout-messages-after-8-2-Upgrade-td3733475.html

          Adding ahci_load="YES" to loader.conf solved the problem

          Do you think its relevant to the problem I am having?

          Right now I am trying to mount the *.img file to edit the file via:

          mount -t auto -o loop,offset=$((63*512)) /media/B4E1-5C16/pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-2g-i386-20110913-1802-nanobsd.img /mnt/test

          If you have thoughts let me know!

          @jimp:

          One thing I'd be wary of in the net6501 case is putting an mSATA card in the slot by the CPU. With no active cooling in the case, the CPU gets quite hot and the card in the slot next to the CPU will get a bit of heat from that as well. In the wrong environment I could see that killing an mSATA drive (or at least harming its performance in some way)

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            depiman
            last edited by

            I have exactly the same problem on a Soekris net4801. A 4 GB image on a new 4 GB SanDisk Ultra card gives a write error at the end. The same image on an older SanDisk Ultra II card goes well. The newer card boots and runs with the 4 GB image, but is unstable. On the old card it's stable. The 2 GB image on the newer card runs, but still to early to say if it's stable. Fact is that it's not relyable for my production environment (…) Big question: where's the problem? On the image, the CF card or the Soekris?

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              Metu69salemi
              last edited by

              @depiman:

              Big question: where's the problem? On the image, the CF card or the Soekris?

              Shaking from the sleeve(meaning this more like i feel than i know): CF card

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                depiman
                last edited by

                @Metu69salemi:

                Shaking from the sleeve(meaning this more like i feel than i know): CF card

                I think so to. And that looks the same as Wim van der Putten his opinion: newer SanDisk has less bytes then before. Or something else is wrong. So we can say newer doesn't have to be better ;-) Sh*t, I bought ten of those cards two months ago! :-(

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                  Metu69salemi
                  last edited by

                  Use 2GB images, and your problem is solved

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                    wm408
                    last edited by

                    Tried that, no luck.

                    @Metu69salemi:

                    Use 2GB images, and your problem is solved

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                      Metu69salemi
                      last edited by

                      Okay then it has to be something else on that card. Can you use it with your camera or windows machine without errors?

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                        wm408
                        last edited by

                        I haven't tried moving files in and out of it on Windows, but it seems to format it just fine and then detect it as a drive.  Also in Linux if I format, seems like I can access it thereafter.

                        @Metu69salemi:

                        Okay then it has to be something else on that card. Can you use it with your camera or windows machine without errors?

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                          wallabybob
                          last edited by

                          I think there are a few different types of errors reported in this thread:

                          @wm408:

                          I haven't tried moving files in and out of it on Windows, but it seems to format it just fine and then detect it as a drive.  Also in Linux if I format, seems like I can access it thereafter.

                          Neither of these tests are good tests that the whole card can be read and written.

                          On linux something like dd if=/dev/sdxx of=/dev/null bs=65536 can be used to read the whole card and something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdaxx bs=65536 can be used to write zeroes to the whole card (where sdxx  is carefully chosen to match the device assignment for the card).

                          @depiman:

                          I have exactly the same problem on a Soekris net4801. A 4 GB image on a new 4 GB SanDisk Ultra card gives a write error at the end.

                          This is almost certainly because the card is not large enough. It seems that once a 4GB card could hold 4102410241024 bytes of data an then some "genius" decided that a 4GB card needed to be able to hold only 4100010001000 bytes of data and then some "genius" decided the 4100010001000 bytes could include error detection bytes and then some genius decided the 4100010001000 byes could also include "replacement" blocks and then some genius decided that 3.9100010001000 could be rounded up to 4GB etc etc with each act of "genius" reducing the data space available to the end user. On what I've seen reported I would guess there could be a good case made to an aggressive consumer affairs department that a card advertised as 4GB must have at least 4100010001000 bytes available to the end user for file storage. But that is a digression.

                          @nexus_VI:

                          I tried with the 2G image, sadly the results are the same:

                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119
                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119
                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119

                          Is buying a new CF card my best bet, or even my only choice?</nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error></nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error></nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error>

                          This doesn't look as if you are running the 2GB image. The logical blocks are 512 bytes long. LBA (Logical Block Address) 7813119 * 512 is about 4,000,316,928 which is well over 2GB. The 2GB image should not be referencing any block above something a little less than 210241024*1024/512.

                          @wm408:

                          In a net6501, I am having sort of similar errors on a 4G mSATA card that I purchased from Soekris, its a Transcend 4g MSA500 (I think?, something like this).  I tested 2G and 4G nanobsd images on it with the same result.

                          _ad4: 3775MB <ts4gmsa500 20101212="">at ata2-master PIO4 SATA 3Gb/s
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3861855
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3452247
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3450831
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=3450831
                          ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=3450831
                          g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=1766785024, length=14336)]error = 5
                          vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1514407
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1514407
                          ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=1514407
                          g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=775335936, length=2048)]error = 5
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3450831
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=3450831
                          ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=3450831
                          g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=1766785024, length=14336)]error = 5
                          vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1514407
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1866375
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=311183
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3447463
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1814527
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1764455
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1503551
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=327975
                          ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=327975
                          ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=327975

                          These all look like the disk has bad spots at the referenced LBAs. However the problem could be that you are using quite  new motherboard and FreeBSD needs some tweaks to work well with that chipset (or that "disk").

                          @fabix:

                          On a pfsense 2.0, I have a lot of I/O errors:
                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119
                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119</nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error></nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error>

                          As discussed earlier in this reply, the disk image you wrote to the card is too large for the card. In fact it appears that it is just too large.  Your card claims to have user capacity of 4,000,317,440 bytes, the read starts at byte 4,000,316,928 which is the last block. Perhaps it was a multi-block read.

                          @BrianX:

                          i am getting the same errors.  tried two different cards.  they are transcend industrial CF cards in an ide carrier in a dual atom d525 system.  (hacom mars) dmesg | grep ad0
                          ad0: 1943MB <transcend 20070418="">at ata0-master PIO4
                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=ff <busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error>error=0 LBA=532431
                          ad0: FAILURE - WRITE status=ff <busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error>error=58 <uncorrectable,nid_not_found,media_change_reqest>LBA=88375
                          ad0: TIMEOUT - WRITE retrying (1 retry left) LBA=88631
                          ad0: FAILURE - WRITE status=ff <busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error>error=58 <uncorrectable,nid_not_found,media_change_reqest>LBA=88887
                          ad0: TIMEOUT - WRITE retrying (0 retries left) LBA=88631
                          ad0: FAILURE - READ status=ff <busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error>error=0 LBA=233943</busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error></uncorrectable,nid_not_found,media_change_reqest></busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error></uncorrectable,nid_not_found,media_change_reqest></busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error></busy,ready,dma_ready,dsc,drq,correctable,index,error></transcend>

                          Notice the READ failures are flagged CORRECTABLE. I presume these are corrected and are reported as an indication of a developing bad spot on the "disk". (They might go uncorrectable one day soon.) The write failures (retries exhausted) indicate a bad spot. These are not related to the disk being too small to hold the file system that was written to it. Maybe you could use the Linux commands I gave earlier to test out the card with a different operating system. Did your two different cards report errors at the same LBAs?</ts4gmsa500>_

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                            wm408
                            last edited by

                            Thx for your input.  I am still scratching my head.

                            @wm408:

                            In a net6501, I am having sort of similar errors on a 4G mSATA card that I purchased from Soekris, its a Transcend 4g MSA500 (I think?, something like this).  I tested 2G and 4G nanobsd images on it with the same result.

                            _ad4: 3775MB <ts4gmsa500 20101212="">at ata2-master PIO4 SATA 3Gb/s
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3861855
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3452247
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3450831
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=3450831
                            ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=3450831
                            g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=1766785024, length=14336)]error = 5
                            vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1514407
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1514407
                            ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=1514407
                            g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=775335936, length=2048)]error = 5
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3450831
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=3450831
                            ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=3450831
                            g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=1766785024, length=14336)]error = 5
                            vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1514407
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1866375
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=311183
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3447463
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1814527
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1764455
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1503551
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (1 retry left) LBA=327975
                            ad4: TIMEOUT - READ retrying (0 retries left) LBA=327975
                            ad4: FAILURE - READ timed out LBA=327975

                            These all look like the disk has bad spots at the referenced LBAs. However the problem could be that you are using quite  new motherboard and FreeBSD needs some tweaks to work well with that chipset (or that "disk").</ts4gmsa500>_

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                              wm408
                              last edited by

                              On my net6501 I am trying a different mSATA here, its 20GB in size.  Applied the 4g nanobsd image to it /w dd in Linux.

                              On boot and during use I get this (still scratching my head):

                              Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/pfsense0
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=332239
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1513199
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1513199
                              ad4: FAILURE - READ_MUL timed out LBA=1513199
                              g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=774717440, length=18944)]error = 5
                              vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=3450767
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (0 retries left) LBA=3450767
                              ad4: FAILURE - READ_MUL timed out LBA=3450767
                              g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=1766752256, length=18944)]error = 5
                              vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1135623
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1765855
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1768839
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=442207
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (0 retries left) LBA=442207
                              ad4: FAILURE - READ_MUL timed out LBA=442207
                              g_vfs_done():ufs/pfsense0[READ(offset=226369536, length=35328)]error = 5
                              vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=442207
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1513199
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1765455
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1134127
                              ad4: TIMEOUT - READ_MUL retrying (1 retry left) LBA=332151

                              I can work in the CLI/console but I am unsure here on continuing.

                              Update:

                              I took a 2.5" 320GB Sata drive and wrote the 4G nanobsd image to it in Linux via: dd if=pfsense.img of=/dev/sdX

                              booted up the net6501 and have the same result.

                              So either my ability to write the nanobsd image sucks (which doesn't make sense)
                              or
                              Something with the nanobsd and the net6501?

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                                hdokes
                                last edited by

                                Getting same issues here with ANY compactflash card I use.  All are 2gb and I am getting the identical messages whether using the 2gb or 1gb of pfsense 2.0 nano image for i386 vga.

                                The specific message is:

                                ad0: 1953MB <sandisk sdcfj-2048="" hdx4.03="">ad0: Failure Read_DMA timed out LBA=4001759
                                ad0: Failure Read_DMA timed out LBA=4001743
                                ad0: Failure Read_DMA timed out LBA=4001756

                                etc.

                                The hardware I am using is an asus Pundit P1-PH1.  This very unit has been running flawlessly for the last 2 years with an embedded version of pfsense 1.2.  The errors I am receiving now occur with the original compact flash card that was used for the last 2 years as well as a brand new one from Sandisk and new units from R Data.  It doesn't matter who's cf card I use…. all are 2gb... all are having the exact same issue.  This CAN NOT be an issue with compact flash cards.  It's happening to far too many people with unrelated hardware.  Has anyone actually had success flashing and using the nano versions of pfsense 2.0?

                                In all cases the write process to these flash drives is completed without errors.  In all cases, pfsense boots and runs through it's motions until it gets to the ad0 device which is the compact flash card.

                                I have tested these cards (all of them) on a win7 machine.  I am able to partition and format at will, copy files to and from the flash drive and have confirmed integrity of the files once copied from the flash drive back to the hard drive.

                                I'm happy to provide any additional information/testing that might be requested to help narrow down this issue as it is without question a big time pain in the behind right now.

                                It should be noted, while it is not the desired configuration, I have reluctantly installed a hard drive on the same asus Pundit and have successfully loaded pfsense 2.0 i386.  Pretty certain it's not a hardware issue.</sandisk>

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                                  wm408
                                  last edited by

                                  I have been able to install embedded/nanobsd 2.0.x on a net5501 with no problems / no errors.  I have run into problems with a net6501 and the nanobsd/embedded however.  Still not sure what is going on there.

                                  @hdokes:

                                  Getting same issues here with ANY compactflash card I use.  All are 2gb and I am getting the identical messages whether using the 2gb or 1gb of pfsense 2.0 nano image for i386 vga.

                                  The specific message is:

                                  ad0: 1953MB <sandisk sdcfj-2048="" hdx4.03="">ad0: Failure Read_DMA timed out LBA=4001759
                                  ad0: Failure Read_DMA timed out LBA=4001743
                                  ad0: Failure Read_DMA timed out LBA=4001756

                                  etc.

                                  The hardware I am using is an asus Pundit P1-PH1.  This very unit has been running flawlessly for the last 2 years with an embedded version of pfsense 1.2.  The errors I am receiving now occur with the original compact flash card that was used for the last 2 years as well as a brand new one from Sandisk and new units from R Data.  It doesn't matter who's cf card I use…. all are 2gb... all are having the exact same issue.  This CAN NOT be an issue with compact flash cards.  It's happening to far too many people with unrelated hardware.  Has anyone actually had success flashing and using the nano versions of pfsense 2.0?

                                  In all cases the write process to these flash drives is completed without errors.  In all cases, pfsense boots and runs through it's motions until it gets to the ad0 device which is the compact flash card.

                                  I have tested these cards (all of them) on a win7 machine.  I am able to partition and format at will, copy files to and from the flash drive and have confirmed integrity of the files once copied from the flash drive back to the hard drive.

                                  I'm happy to provide any additional information/testing that might be requested to help narrow down this issue as it is without question a big time pain in the behind right now.

                                  It should be noted, while it is not the desired configuration, I have reluctantly installed a hard drive on the same asus Pundit and have successfully loaded pfsense 2.0 i386.  Pretty certain it's not a hardware issue.</sandisk>

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                                    cmb
                                    last edited by

                                    There seems to be multiple different issues here, but the one that results in any kind of NID_NOT_FOUND READ errors like:

                                    
ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119
ad0: FAILURE - READ status=51 <ready,dsc,error>error=10 <nid_not_found>LBA=7813119</nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error></nid_not_found></ready,dsc,error>

                                    is normal on newer SanDisk cards and safe to ignore. It has nothing to do with image size, you can put a 1 GB image on a 4 GB card and they still do that. From what I've been able to gather on that, the cards report they have a larger usable size than they do, and when the FreeBSD ATA code initializes it tries to read the end of the disk even if its partition is nowhere near that, which the CF is reporting doesn't actually exist, which is what that log message says.

                                    "according to ATA-7 specification, Section 6.59.6 is: "IDNF shall be set to one if a user-accessible address could not be found. IDNF shall be set to one if an address outside of the range of user-accessible addresses is requested if command aborted is not returned." FreeBSD labels this bit as NID_NOT_FOUND"

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                                      jdamnation
                                      last edited by

                                      Here are my results. Four brand new CF cards, two Sandisk Ultra 4GB and two Sandisk Extreme 2GB.

                                      Test unit: Seokris Net 5501

                                      Flash method: Unmounted drive from OSX, then did "gzcat pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-2g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz | dd of=/dev/disk4 bs=16k"

                                      Sandisk Ultra CompactFlash 30MB/s 4GB - card 1 of 2

                                      pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-4g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz = LBA errors
                                      pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-2g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz = LBA errors

                                      Sandisk Ultra CompactFlash 30MB/s 4GB - card 2 of 2

                                      pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-4g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz = LBA errors
                                      pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-2g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz = LBA errors

                                      Sandisk Extreme III 2GB  - card 1 of 2

                                      pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-2g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz = No errors, all good!

                                      Sandisk Extreme III 2GB  - card 2 of 2

                                      pfSense-2.0-RELEASE-2g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz = No errors, all good!

                                      Other Observations

                                      When flashing the 4GB image to the 4GB cards, dd returned the following when the flash complete: 'dd: /dev/disk4: end of device'. The card still booted, though with LBA errors.
                                      The 2GB image did not return 'dd: /dev/disk4: end of device', however still gave LBA errors for some reason.

                                      Summary Of Findings

                                      If you want to use a CF card with a Seokris net5501, make sure you get yourself a Sandisk Extreme III - and avoid Sandisk Ultra 4GB.

                                      Hope this is useful for someone - cost me an afternoons work!

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                                      • jimpJ
                                        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                                        last edited by

                                        @jdamnation:

                                        The 2GB image did not return 'dd: /dev/disk4: end of device', however still gave LBA errors for some reason.

                                        That is likely because of what cmb mentioned in the post before yours - it's trying to access the last bit of the disk which the card claims exists by size but then returns an error when something actually tries to read it.

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                                          jdamnation
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                                          Yep it was the NID_NOT_FOUND errors that I was seeing.

                                          Will this smaller image in the next release solve this particular problem?

                                          JD

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                                          • jimpJ
                                            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                                            last edited by

                                            Not likely because that is the fault of the hardware in the CF. If the image size would have done anything, the 2GB image on the 4GB card would not have had any problems.

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