Temperature Widget

m4f1050

@ThorstenK:

mmh. it may take a week for patch two i think.
I wouldnt like it very much, but meanwhile -
What about for a config tunable, which we set for filtering out sensors with 127 degrees ?
This would be fast to implement and seems like a good compromise, what do you think ?

I agree, I mean, if it's there (and working) why not use it? We need to add mbmon also. I have the 32-bit version, I think the 64-bit CPUs prob. already have working coretemp32 or coretemp64?

From what i know its already available, but we have to check that. I switched machines and had to reinst Windows because of anno2070 wasnt working under wine. This has changed meanwhile 8))) So as soon as i have hsdpa again (eoMonth)- ill switch back to linux and FreeBSD :) and write the extension to include mbmon first with the tunable above.

rcfa

OK, finally got the coretemp.ko installed, etc. and now have a temperature reading of a cool 35C

Was a little bit involved, because OS X doesn't grok BSD's file system, so I ended up doing a memory stick, mounting it on the pfSense box, and then copied it with an slogin over to where it needs to go.

The config file I ended up editing with the Web GUI, because I couldn't remember the name of the non-vi editor installed on pfSense, it's not nano or pico, and of course not emacs (which I usually would use)
Why the heck keep I forgetting the name? ???

Anyway, things are working. Now it's going to be interesting to see what get's stomped over with the next upgrade that I'm just running….

stephenw10

It's ee (easy editor) ;)

Cino

@rcfa:

OK, finally got the coretemp.ko installed, etc. and now have a temperature reading of a cool 35C

wish mine was at 35c, 60c right now :-(

stephenw10

Here's the 64bit coretemp.ko from FreeBSD 8.3 for anyone else.
Remove the .png extension.

Steve

coretemp.ko.png

kalu

Temperature widget is not available (or not supported) on our nano bsd alix boards..
:(

rcfa

@kalu:

Temperature widget is not available (or not supported) on our nano bsd alix boards..
:(

What kind of CPUs do these have? If the CPU doesn't have built-in sensors (like e.g. the intel Core CPUs or the intel Atom CPUs), or the motherboard doesn't have a temperature sensor that's somehow published (e.g. ACPI), then it's got to be a no-go.

gerdesj

@rcfa:

@kalu:

Temperature widget is not available (or not supported) on our nano bsd alix boards..
:(

What kind of CPUs do these have? If the CPU doesn't have built-in sensors (like e.g. the intel Core CPUs or the intel Atom CPUs), or the motherboard doesn't have a temperature sensor that's somehow published (e.g. ACPI), then it's got to be a no-go.

Mine (PC Engines thing) shows this in dmesg:

CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (498.05-MHz 586-class CPU)
Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x5a2 Family = 5 Model = a Stepping = 2
Features=0x88a93d <fpu,de,pse,tsc,msr,cx8,sep,pge,cmov,clflush,mmx>AMD Features=0xc0400000 <mmx+,3dnow!+,3dnow!>… and this further down which probably doesn't help:

ACPI Error: A valid RSDP was not found (20101013/tbxfroot-309)
ACPI: Table initialisation failed: AE_NOT_FOUND
ACPI: Try disabling either ACPI or apic support.

Cheers
Jon</mmx+,3dnow!+,3dnow!></fpu,de,pse,tsc,msr,cx8,sep,pge,cmov,clflush,mmx>

rcfa

Not sure if the GEODE chips have built-in temp sensors but if so, you'd likely have to install the amdtemp.ko module analog to us intel guys having to install the coretemp.ko module.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=amdtemp&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html

m4f1050

@rcfa:

OK, finally got the coretemp.ko installed, etc. and now have a temperature reading of a cool 35C

Was a little bit involved, because OS X doesn't grok BSD's file system, so I ended up doing a memory stick, mounting it on the pfSense box, and then copied it with an slogin over to where it needs to go.

The config file I ended up editing with the Web GUI, because I couldn't remember the name of the non-vi editor installed on pfSense, it's not nano or pico, and of course not emacs (which I usually would use)
Why the heck keep I forgetting the name? ???

Anyway, things are working. Now it's going to be interesting to see what get's stomped over with the next upgrade that I'm just running….

I enabled SSH on pfSense and I connect from both Win7 and OS X. What I do on OS X is open a terminal shell and type "ssh 192.168.0.1 -l admin" it will then ask me for a password. On Win7 I use putty. After that when I get to the menu on pfSense I select option 8, and on pfSense's shell I ftp to my machine and transfer files that way. I also use nano "pkg_add -r nano"

…finally back on hsdpa :)

I think we agree that we have different installations all over the world.
And so we have special needs to handle. One might need to use a coretemp module (or acpi or mbmon) , on another system it crashes.

We cant force everyone to acpi or coretemp. We need to support the freedom for everyone, to use what he needs to as long as this doesnt hit the freedom of another one.

For this reason, the current plan for the widget is to support mbmon, acpi and coretemp
and to implement a config screen for us users, so we can select the sensors we need.

rcfa

@ThorstenK:

For this reason, the current plan for the widget is to support mbmon, acpi and coretemp
and to implement a config screen for us users, so we can select the sensors we need.

Not like I care, but what about amdtemp.ko ?

lets see "coretemp" as a symbol for Processor specific modules.
Its not about the name, its about the freedom of the admin to install what he needs to support special requirements.

rcfa

@ThorstenK:

lets see "coretemp" as a symbol for Processor specific modules.
Its not about the name, its about the freedom of the admin to install what he needs to support special requirements.

OK :)

On a different note: still have trouble believing that my tiny D510 Atom CPU truly runs at 31-34C, when I have an ambient temperature in the 24C range, and Tmax. is at 100C, and the CPU has only passive cooling. If it were ambient temperature inside the computer case that's 10C above outside ambient temp, I'd buy that. But in the CPU core?
Did someone mention this needs to be multiplied by the number of cores? That would be much more like it: 62-68C would be a temperature that's well below the Tmax, but in a range that would seem more believable. Or did technology really get that good? :-\ ::) ??? :o

Interesting - according to the thermal guide at intel.com the value depends on the quality of the external temp sensor on the motherboard.
and that some offset should be applied on top of this value. Oh, nice - it will pause and resume itself automatically, when a critical temperature is reached.

Personally, i think that most cpu temperature problems are a result of to much overclocking / feeding to much voltage / not supplying an aprrociate fan. The atom series is quite efficient so it seems that your cpu is healthy :=)

(Which i should take as an example and finally quit smoking cigarettes….)

joe_cowboy

Has anybody added these updates to github for merge? I will admit I am the one that enabled the temp in the system widget when fixing issues when pfsense 2.1 was released for testing. Part of the code was there, just disabled but I enabled it for a friend of mine. Let me know if you want your code to be posted on github to see if I can get it merged with 2.1 updates.

Here is where I talk about the Temp add on…
http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,44183.msg232657.html#msg232657

For some reason I can't get my VIA chipset to display any temperature OID info. HP/NEOWare thin client box. I think it's a BIOS issue.

-Joe Cowboy

rcfa

@joe_cowboy:

Let me know if you want your code to be posted on github to see if I can get it merged with 2.1 updates.

For me the temperature stuff seems to work out of the box, provided the coretemp.ko is installed and loaded.
So having the temperature modules in /boot would be quite helpful, somewhere a toggle that enables/disables the loading of the module, if people think that just loading it by default is a bad idea.

w0w

I have D2500CC Intel board (Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D2500 @ 1.86GHz )
My current snapshot is based on FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p6. I've tried coretemp and mbmon with no luck, I can't see temperatures at all, any suggestions would be great!

hoi - providing the different temperature modules in /boot would help greatly as systctl needs them.
joe Cowboy, do you plan to commit these ?

Edit: or does anyone know, if we want to compile them while building ?
Another option is to let the User decide, as the author of mbmon says that permanently polling the io ports directly can affect system stability.

As for the patch - I nearly finished the widgets code today and test with a cat on a local file cause im using acpi which runs fine and stable for me.
I have some outstanding rl work in the next two days but if anyone's interested in testing i can post a patch by wednesday here.