Shuttle ds61



  • I wanted something that could handle a few more watts than the  Intel NUC. The normal answer is a dq77kb but bought a Shuttle DS61.

    I'll have a cpu tonight and will post a dmesg, verify hardware tagging, LAGs and TCP Segmentation Offload on a pair of Realtek 8111E.



  • a dmesg output from the Shuttle ds61.

    00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09)
    00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express Root Port (rev 09)
    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
    00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
    00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 05)
    00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
    00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev b5)
    00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev b5)
    00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev b5)
    00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev b5)
    00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 05)
    00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation H61 Express Chipset Family LPC Controller (rev 05)
    00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SATA AHCI Controller (rev 05)
    00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 05)
    03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
    04:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1042 SuperSpeed USB Host Controller
    05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)



  • That looks like a good base for a next step up from Atom!

    Please show more pics/specs when your able. I'm curious about power usage and network throughput.



  • I'm curious about power usage and network throughput.

    its 23 to 56 WattsUpMeters.com wall watts with a 55w TDP i3-3220.

    The fan goes from 1500rpm (silent) to 4250rpm (jet) with soft noticeable rpm at max TDP:

    and to test max cooling headroom at max RPM:

    no where near the heat of my iMac when I cover the vent with my hand:



  • hello friend, I just registered to ask you something about the DS61 and I'm thinking of buying with an Intel Dual Core G2120 3.1GHz Socket 1155 Box performance should be very good.

    sorry for my English because I'm from Spain;)

    The IDLE temperature is only 28 ° with the default fan at 1500 rpm? know if you can download the rpm from the BIOS?

    Can you tell me if in IDLE recently the fan noise?

    I'll have to wait a bit because in Spain still can not find it ..

    thanks



  • ¡Hola! ¿Qué tal?

    The Bios has fixed RPM settings for "Ultra-Silent" "Silent" "Low" "Max". The second graph with 4C to 6C cooler lines was on "Max" 4250rpm (very loud) while the 28C, 1500rpm resting top graph was on the "Smart-Auto" fan setting. One can't hear the DS61 at 28C, but at max TDP on Smart-Auto, one can hear a slight hum. The fan ramps down extremely quickly once the load (4 thread π generator) was removed.

    even so, 70C is lower than my iMac at 77C.

    I have one of the units that was air shipped to the USA and payed under $200US, the first sea shipment of 260 was expected 1/3 so Newegg, Provantage, CDW should have stock after January 10th. There are another 400 units expected for the USA in Jan, Feb and March. I don't know the EU's shipping dates.



  • thank you very much for the info.

    I found it on Amazon for shipping to France with Spain so here I will wait a few days and if you can not find it there'll buy Spain.

    a greeting



  • Looks like Provantage has stock too.



  • I bought it in alternate but still has no stock.

    https://www.alternate.es/html/product/Shuttle/BarBo_DS61_________________BK___H61/1047484/?

    I said that once order transport it. I hope it does not take much.

    Have you done any more proof? Are you happy with it?

    regards



  • Looks like Newegg has stock too.



  • For those who prefer 2.0.2 rather than 2.1 use seedrs's re driver.

    
    re1: <realtek 8111="" 8168="" b="" c="" cp="" d="" dp="" e="" f="" pcie="" gigabit="" ethernet="">port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xf0004000-0xf0004fff,0xf0000000-0xf0003fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci5
    re1: Using 1 MSI-X message
    re1: Chip rev. 0x2c800000
    re1: MAC rev. 0x00000000
    miibus1: <mii bus="">on re1
    rgephy1: <rtl8169s 8110s="" 8211b="" media="" interface="">PHY 1 on miibus1
    rgephy1:  none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow
    re1: [ITHREAD]</rtl8169s></mii></realtek> 
    


  • Nice system!

    The H61 system has enough bandwidth for everything in that system and then some.  Good low-power, out-of-sight pfSense box that would be capable of running a few packages on top of it.



  • Hello to all,

    incidentally I came across this very machine which seems to be a neat little thing for pfsensing.

    But I have some issues: First of all I had to detach the card reader to prevent a stop while booting (error accessing storage device 9454). No big deal, it is not needed.
    But then further during boot process (after loading scsi drivers, I guess) it stops reading from the attached usb disk drive saying something about read errors (and of cause the disk is ok).

    Any hints?

    Best regards, Holger



  • You need to use the usb stick image to boot / install from usb. I had that too when I tried to put the live cd onto a usb stick and install from that.



  • Yes, I came to the same conclusion, but the device stops booting.
    It says ' Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/pfsense'
    then 'md0.uzip: 2962 x 65536 blocks'
    and stops there without any other message and does not react to any keyboard action.

    Any idea?

    Regards, Holger



  • OMG!

    I used the serial version…
    I'll try the 'real' one and report.

    Holger



  • It says ' Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/pfsense'

    use a usb image, and plug it into the front ports, not the blue usb 3.0 ports in the back.

    also note the

    da0: <generic 9454="" storage="" device="">Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched!
    da0: 40.000MB/s transfers

    might claim 40MB, but its attached via usb 2.0 and while I did boot from SD for fun, many of my
    usb sticks are faster than the SD card.</generic>



  • both ethernets work with seedrs's 2.0.2 driver in nano amd64 too.

    here is a nano 2.0.2 amd64 dmesg

    re1: <realtek pcie="" gbe="" family="" controller="">port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xf0004000-0xf0004fff,0xf0000000-0xf0003fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci5
    re1: version:1.81
    re1: flags=8843 <up,broadcast,running,simplex,multicast>metric 0 mtu 1500
    options=18 <vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging>ether 80:ee:73:52:ef:36
    inet6 fe80::82ee:73ff:fe52:ef36%re1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
    inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
    nd6 options=43 <performnud,accept_rtadv>media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT <full-duplex>)
    status: active</full-duplex></performnud,accept_rtadv></vlan_mtu,vlan_hwtagging></up,broadcast,running,simplex,multicast></realtek>



  • I was also looking at the DS61 but found the E drivers most of the time aren't working but after seeing your post I decided to order it :)
    What pfsense version are you using on the ds61?



  • What pfsense version are you using on the ds61?

    I was running esxi and played with several pfsense guests, but now I'm running 2.0.2 non-nano amd64.  It seems silly to have LAG and vlans config on the switch, storage and vswitch config in esxi then of all the pfsense config. We are competing with a $75 home router anyway, so how much config fun does one want? :-)

    anyway, I have enough stuff on it now to not feel guilty.

    
    last pid: 47385;  load averages:  0.79,  0.73,  0.67               up 0+08:42:24  05:59:07
    78 processes:  1 running, 74 sleeping, 3 zombie
    CPU: 14.6% user,  0.0% nice,  2.2% system,  2.8% interrupt, 80.5% idle
    Mem: 254M Active, 75M Inact, 541M Wired, 1428K Cache, 700M Buf, 6942M Free
    Swap: 16G Total, 16G Free
    
      PID USERNAME    THR PRI NICE   SIZE    RES STATE   C   TIME   WCPU COMMAND
    16363 root          7  44    0   156M 63748K ucond   1 279:37 62.70% etherape
    47411 root         10  44    0 93840K 37620K nanslp  2  36:00  5.86% ntop
      247 root          1  76   20  7084K  1292K kqread  1  22:44  0.00% check_reload_status
    20478 root          1  44    0 16720K  3320K bpf     2   1:27  0.00% bandwidthd
    20275 root          1  44    0 16720K  3512K bpf     1   1:27  0.00% bandwidthd
    20102 root          1  44    0 16720K  3556K bpf     0   1:24  0.00% bandwidthd
    19887 root          1  44    0 16720K  3776K bpf     2   1:18  0.00% bandwidthd
     6302 root          1  51    0   108M 38288K accept  2   0:17  0.00% php
    63210 proxy         1  44    0 48016K 32612K kqread  1   0:10  0.00% squid
    21589 root          1  44    0 25872K  5924K kqread  2   0:08  0.00% lighttpd
     5781 root          1  64   20  5964K  1600K select  1   0:06  0.00% apinger
      728 root          2  44    0   395M 88984K nanslp  3   0:05  0.00% snort
    21996 root          1  48    0   110M 34564K accept  3   0:03  0.00% php
     6654 nobody        1  44    0 10144K  3236K select  1   0:03  0.00% dnsmasq
    
    


  • IP stats after a week.




  • In March Shuttle will start shipping DS61 v1.1 with two more USB 2.0 ports on the front.

    Also a new BIOS is available that during S3 sleep mode, the power consumption is dropped from 10W(old
    DS61) to 5W(new DS61-v1.1) to fulfill the new EU requirement.



  • I did read about that yes :) Does it run on the same hardware aside from that?
    I tried running the 2.1 beta but I think it's far too buggy to run in production as I would get an IP but had no internet, and the 2.0.2 version doesn't work at all because pfsense need at least 1 working interface.

    I'm now running an esx version on it as it supported all hardware automatically ( which is a miracle on itself seeing vmware does not support much consumer hardware :) )

    And I'm now running pfsense inside esx for about 3 days without any problems.



  • Does it run on the same hardware aside from that?

    The bios file is exactly the same:

    sum  DS61D000-1.203/DOS/DS61D000.203 DS61D000.203/DOS/DS61D000.203
    63712 4096 DS61D000-1.203/DOS/DS61D000.203
    63712 4096 DS61D000.203/DOS/DS61D000.203

    so my guess is the MB is exactly the same.



  • a P2P load next to a cpu graph on a ds61 running 2.0.2 non-nano amd64




  • another P2P test, this time showing lots of connections


    and continue to have a good experience with two RealTek 8111E



  • Looks like Provantage has some ds61 v1.1 in-stock.



  • Ewiiz/Superbiiz has them in stock.

    Price: $170.99
    $8.99 Shipping

    $10 off with coupon code 'HOLEN1'.

    https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SYS-DS61

    The v1.1 are $14 more.

    https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SYS-DS61V1



  • So this is just a bare bones system? How much am I looking (ball park) once I buy components for home user? give price range from low end components to higher end?



  • Just below $300.

    Besides the DS61 you need CPU, RAM, (mSATA-) SSD.



  • Looks like Newegg has some ds61 v1.1 in-stock.



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  • A DS61 blends into the average low voltage wall.



  • It really ties the room together, does it not? :D



  • Are those mouse traps near the precariously dangling Dell power adapter?

    The natural wood background is very nice.


  • Netgate Administrator

    To catch unwary power supply thieves!  ;)

    Steve



  • Interesting "average low voltage.. mouse trapped" wall there ;)

    A bit off-topic, could you throw some "low voltage" light (pun intended..lol) on the top black box which has a company logo of ZON and the green boards hooked to a grey box on the top left.



  • @asterix:

    […] the top black box which has a company logo of ZON […]

    http://www.zonaudio.com  ;)



  • I bought the Shuttle ds61 V1.1 which is slightly different from yours, but did you have any installation problems? I can't get passed VLAN and WAN setup after install. It says it does not detect any devices, so I'm assuming pfSense does not see the two onboard NICs. Had any problems with that?

    Thanks



  • While its easy to copy seedrs's driver to a 2.0.x install, (I'm using the 64bit version now) its easier to install the newer 2.1 snapshot. ie: if seeder's notes don't make sense, pls use the 2.1 install. (also tested and independently verified working)


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