Dansguardian freshclam issue
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OK… I didn't run into that particular issue. Is Dans installed? It should have installed clam as part of the dg install. Does the file /usr/local/etc/clamd.conf exist? If so, what do the rights look like on it (do ls -al)? Can you see if the clam executable exists (just do find / -name "clam") and see if it exists anywhere...
I can send you the freshclam script tonight (at work right now) but it won't do you any good if clam isn't installed.
Clam is installed as part of DansGuardian but on a fresh reboot, freshclam don't work and clamd won't load:
[2.1-RC1][admin@pfsense.cell.local]/root(4): find / -name "clam*" /root/clamav-clamd /usr/local/sbin/clamd /usr/local/bin/clamav-config /usr/local/bin/clambc /usr/local/bin/clamconf /usr/local/bin/clamdscan /usr/local/bin/clamdtop /usr/local/bin/clamscan /usr/local/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd /usr/local/etc/dansguardian/contentscanners/clamdscan.conf /usr/pbi/freeradius-i386/lib/python2.7/test/decimaltestdata/clamp.decTest /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/bin/clamscan /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/bin/clamdscan /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/bin/clamconf /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/bin/clamdtop /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/bin/clambc /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/bin/clamav-config /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/etc/rc.d/clamav-clamd /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/etc/rc.d/clamav-freshclam /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/etc/clamd.conf.default /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/etc/clamd.conf /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/etc/dansguardian/contentscanners/clamdscan.conf /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/include/clamav.h /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/include/clamav-config.h /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/sbin/clamd /usr/pbi/dansguardian-i386/share/licenses/clamav-0.97.6 /var/run/clamav /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid /var/mail/clamav /var/log/dansguardian/clamd.log /var/log/clamav /var/log/clamav/clamd.log /var/db/clamav
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Here is the contents of the clamav-freshclam script:
#!/bin/sh # # $FreeBSD: ports/security/clamav/files/clamav-freshclam.in,v 1.5 2012/11/17 06:01:01 svnexp Exp $ # # PROVIDE: freshclam # REQUIRE: LOGIN clamd # BEFORE: mail # KEYWORD: shutdown # # Add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf to enable the freshclam daemon: # # clamav_freshclam_enable="YES" # clamav_freshclam_flags="<set as="" needed="">" # # See freshclam(1) for flags # . /etc/rc.subr name=clamav_freshclam rcvar=clamav_freshclam_enable command=/usr/local/bin/freshclam pidfile=/var/run/clamav/freshclam.pid command_args="--daemon -p ${pidfile}" required_dirs=/var/db/clamav required_files=/usr/local/etc/freshclam.conf # read settings, set default values load_rc_config "$name" : ${clamav_freshclam_enable="NO"} run_rc_command "$1"</set>
clamd.conf should be in /usr/local/etc and its contents are:
## ## Example config file for the Clam AV daemon ## Please read the clamd.conf(5) manual before editing this file. ## # Comment or remove the line below. #Example # Uncomment this option to enable logging. # LogFile must be writable for the user running daemon. # A full path is required. # Default: disabled LogFile /var/log/clamav/clamd.log # By default the log file is locked for writing - the lock protects against # running clamd multiple times (if want to run another clamd, please # copy the configuration file, change the LogFile variable, and run # the daemon with --config-file option). # This option disables log file locking. # Default: no #LogFileUnlock yes # Maximum size of the log file. # Value of 0 disables the limit. # You may use 'M' or 'm' for megabytes (1M = 1m = 1048576 bytes) # and 'K' or 'k' for kilobytes (1K = 1k = 1024 bytes). To specify the size # in bytes just don't use modifiers. # Default: 1M #LogFileMaxSize 2M # Log time with each message. # Default: no #LogTime yes # Also log clean files. Useful in debugging but drastically increases the # log size. # Default: no #LogClean yes # Use system logger (can work together with LogFile). # Default: no #LogSyslog yes # Specify the type of syslog messages - please refer to 'man syslog' # for facility names. # Default: LOG_LOCAL6 #LogFacility LOG_MAIL # Enable verbose logging. # Default: no #LogVerbose yes # Log additional information about the infected file, such as its # size and hash, together with the virus name. #ExtendedDetectionInfo yes # This option allows you to save a process identifier of the listening # daemon (main thread). # Default: disabled PidFile /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid # Optional path to the global temporary directory. # Default: system specific (usually /tmp or /var/tmp). #TemporaryDirectory /var/tmp # Path to the database directory. # Default: hardcoded (depends on installation options) DatabaseDirectory /var/db/clamav # Only load the official signatures published by the ClamAV project. # Default: no #OfficialDatabaseOnly no # The daemon can work in local mode, network mode or both. # Due to security reasons we recommend the local mode. # Path to a local socket file the daemon will listen on. # Default: disabled (must be specified by a user) LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock # Sets the group ownership on the unix socket. # Default: disabled (the primary group of the user running clamd) #LocalSocketGroup virusgroup # Sets the permissions on the unix socket to the specified mode. # Default: disabled (socket is world accessible) #LocalSocketMode 660 # Remove stale socket after unclean shutdown. # Default: yes FixStaleSocket yes # TCP port address. # Default: no #TCPSocket 3310 # TCP address. # By default we bind to INADDR_ANY, probably not wise. # Enable the following to provide some degree of protection # from the outside world. # Default: no #TCPAddr 127.0.0.1 # Maximum length the queue of pending connections may grow to. # Default: 200 #MaxConnectionQueueLength 30 # Clamd uses FTP-like protocol to receive data from remote clients. # If you are using clamav-milter to balance load between remote clamd daemons # on firewall servers you may need to tune the options below. # Close the connection when the data size limit is exceeded. # The value should match your MTA's limit for a maximum attachment size. # Default: 25M #StreamMaxLength 10M # Limit port range. # Default: 1024 #StreamMinPort 30000 # Default: 2048 #StreamMaxPort 32000 # Maximum number of threads running at the same time. # Default: 10 #MaxThreads 20 # Waiting for data from a client socket will timeout after this time (seconds). # Default: 120 #ReadTimeout 300 # This option specifies the time (in seconds) after which clamd should # timeout if a client doesn't provide any initial command after connecting. # Default: 5 #CommandReadTimeout 5 # This option specifies how long to wait (in miliseconds) if the send buffer is full. # Keep this value low to prevent clamd hanging # # Default: 500 #SendBufTimeout 200 # Maximum number of queued items (including those being processed by MaxThreads threads) # It is recommended to have this value at least twice MaxThreads if possible. # WARNING: you shouldn't increase this too much to avoid running out of file descriptors, # the following condition should hold: # MaxThreads*MaxRecursion + (MaxQueue - MaxThreads) + 6< RLIMIT_NOFILE (usual max is 1024) # # Default: 100 #MaxQueue 200 # Waiting for a new job will timeout after this time (seconds). # Default: 30 #IdleTimeout 60 # Don't scan files and directories matching regex # This directive can be used multiple times # Default: scan all #ExcludePath ^/proc/ #ExcludePath ^/sys/ # Maximum depth directories are scanned at. # Default: 15 #MaxDirectoryRecursion 20 # Follow directory symlinks. # Default: no #FollowDirectorySymlinks yes # Follow regular file symlinks. # Default: no #FollowFileSymlinks yes # Scan files and directories on other filesystems. # Default: yes #CrossFilesystems yes # Perform a database check. # Default: 600 (10 min) #SelfCheck 600 # Execute a command when virus is found. In the command string %v will # be replaced with the virus name. # Default: no #VirusEvent /usr/local/bin/send_sms 123456789 "VIRUS ALERT: %v" # Run as another user (clamd must be started by root for this option to work) # Default: don't drop privileges User clamav # Initialize supplementary group access (clamd must be started by root). # Default: no AllowSupplementaryGroups yes # Stop daemon when libclamav reports out of memory condition. #ExitOnOOM yes # Don't fork into background. # Default: no #Foreground yes # Enable debug messages in libclamav. # Default: no #Debug yes # Do not remove temporary files (for debug purposes). # Default: no #LeaveTemporaryFiles yes # Detect Possibly Unwanted Applications. # Default: no #DetectPUA yes # Exclude a specific PUA category. This directive can be used multiple times. # See http://www.clamav.net/support/pua for the complete list of PUA # categories. # Default: Load all categories (if DetectPUA is activated) #ExcludePUA NetTool #ExcludePUA PWTool # Only include a specific PUA category. This directive can be used multiple # times. # Default: Load all categories (if DetectPUA is activated) #IncludePUA Spy #IncludePUA Scanner #IncludePUA RAT # In some cases (eg. complex malware, exploits in graphic files, and others), # ClamAV uses special algorithms to provide accurate detection. This option # controls the algorithmic detection. # Default: yes #AlgorithmicDetection yes ## ## Executable files ## # PE stands for Portable Executable - it's an executable file format used # in all 32 and 64-bit versions of Windows operating systems. This option allows # ClamAV to perform a deeper analysis of executable files and it's also # required for decompression of popular executable packers such as UPX, FSG, # and Petite. If you turn off this option, the original files will still be # scanned, but without additional processing. # Default: yes #ScanPE yes # Executable and Linking Format is a standard format for UN*X executables. # This option allows you to control the scanning of ELF files. # If you turn off this option, the original files will still be scanned, but # without additional processing. # Default: yes #ScanELF yes # With this option clamav will try to detect broken executables (both PE and # ELF) and mark them as Broken.Executable. # Default: no #DetectBrokenExecutables yes ## ## Documents ## # This option enables scanning of OLE2 files, such as Microsoft Office # documents and .msi files. # If you turn off this option, the original files will still be scanned, but # without additional processing. # Default: yes #ScanOLE2 yes # With this option enabled OLE2 files with VBA macros, which were not # detected by signatures will be marked as "Heuristics.OLE2.ContainsMacros". # Default: no #OLE2BlockMacros no # This option enables scanning within PDF files. # If you turn off this option, the original files will still be scanned, but # without decoding and additional processing. # Default: yes #ScanPDF yes ## ## Mail files ## # Enable internal e-mail scanner. # If you turn off this option, the original files will still be scanned, but # without parsing individual messages/attachments. # Default: yes ScanMail yes # Scan RFC1341 messages split over many emails. # You will need to periodically clean up $TemporaryDirectory/clamav-partial directory. # WARNING: This option may open your system to a DoS attack. # Never use it on loaded servers. # Default: no #ScanPartialMessages yes # With this option enabled ClamAV will try to detect phishing attempts by using # signatures. # Default: yes #PhishingSignatures yes # Scan URLs found in mails for phishing attempts using heuristics. # Default: yes #PhishingScanURLs yes # Always block SSL mismatches in URLs, even if the URL isn't in the database. # This can lead to false positives. # # Default: no #PhishingAlwaysBlockSSLMismatch no # Always block cloaked URLs, even if URL isn't in database. # This can lead to false positives. # # Default: no #PhishingAlwaysBlockCloak no # Allow heuristic match to take precedence. # When enabled, if a heuristic scan (such as phishingScan) detects # a possible virus/phish it will stop scan immediately. Recommended, saves CPU # scan-time. # When disabled, virus/phish detected by heuristic scans will be reported only at # the end of a scan. If an archive contains both a heuristically detected # virus/phish, and a real malware, the real malware will be reported # # Keep this disabled if you intend to handle "*.Heuristics.*" viruses # differently from "real" malware. # If a non-heuristically-detected virus (signature-based) is found first, # the scan is interrupted immediately, regardless of this config option. # # Default: no #HeuristicScanPrecedence yes ## ## Data Loss Prevention (DLP) ## # Enable the DLP module # Default: No #StructuredDataDetection yes # This option sets the lowest number of Credit Card numbers found in a file # to generate a detect. # Default: 3 #StructuredMinCreditCardCount 5 # This option sets the lowest number of Social Security Numbers found # in a file to generate a detect. # Default: 3 #StructuredMinSSNCount 5 # With this option enabled the DLP module will search for valid # SSNs formatted as xxx-yy-zzzz # Default: yes #StructuredSSNFormatNormal yes # With this option enabled the DLP module will search for valid # SSNs formatted as xxxyyzzzz # Default: no #StructuredSSNFormatStripped yes ## ## HTML ## # Perform HTML normalisation and decryption of MS Script Encoder code. # Default: yes # If you turn off this option, the original files will still be scanned, but # without additional processing. #ScanHTML yes ## ## Archives ## # ClamAV can scan within archives and compressed files. # If you turn off this option, the original files will still be scanned, but # without unpacking and additional processing. # Default: yes #ScanArchive yes # Mark encrypted archives as viruses (Encrypted.Zip, Encrypted.RAR). # Default: no #ArchiveBlockEncrypted no ## ## Limits ## # The options below protect your system against Denial of Service attacks # using archive bombs. # This option sets the maximum amount of data to be scanned for each input file. # Archives and other containers are recursively extracted and scanned up to this # value. # Value of 0 disables the limit # Note: disabling this limit or setting it too high may result in severe damage # to the system. # Default: 100M #MaxScanSize 150M # Files larger than this limit won't be scanned. Affects the input file itself # as well as files contained inside it (when the input file is an archive, a # document or some other kind of container). # Value of 0 disables the limit. # Note: disabling this limit or setting it too high may result in severe damage # to the system. # Default: 25M #MaxFileSize 30M # Nested archives are scanned recursively, e.g. if a Zip archive contains a RAR # file, all files within it will also be scanned. This options specifies how # deeply the process should be continued. # Note: setting this limit too high may result in severe damage to the system. # Default: 16 #MaxRecursion 10 # Number of files to be scanned within an archive, a document, or any other # container file. # Value of 0 disables the limit. # Note: disabling this limit or setting it too high may result in severe damage # to the system. # Default: 10000 #MaxFiles 15000 ## ## Clamuko settings ## # Enable Clamuko. Dazuko must be configured and running. Clamuko supports # both Dazuko (/dev/dazuko) and DazukoFS (/dev/dazukofs.ctrl). DazukoFS # is the preferred option. For more information please visit www.dazuko.org # Default: no #ClamukoScanOnAccess yes # The number of scanner threads that will be started (DazukoFS only). # Having multiple scanner threads allows Clamuko to serve multiple # processes simultaneously. This is particularly beneficial on SMP machines. # Default: 3 #ClamukoScannerCount 3 # Don't scan files larger than ClamukoMaxFileSize # Value of 0 disables the limit. # Default: 5M #ClamukoMaxFileSize 10M # Set access mask for Clamuko (Dazuko only). # Default: no #ClamukoScanOnOpen yes #ClamukoScanOnClose yes #ClamukoScanOnExec yes # Set the include paths (all files inside them will be scanned). You can have # multiple ClamukoIncludePath directives but each directory must be added # in a seperate line. (Dazuko only) # Default: disabled #ClamukoIncludePath /home #ClamukoIncludePath /students # Set the exclude paths. All subdirectories are also excluded. (Dazuko only) # Default: disabled #ClamukoExcludePath /home/bofh # With this option you can whitelist specific UIDs. Processes with these UIDs # will be able to access all files. # This option can be used multiple times (one per line). # Default: disabled #ClamukoExcludeUID 0 # With this option enabled ClamAV will load bytecode from the database. # It is highly recommended you keep this option on, otherwise you'll miss detections for many new viruses. # Default: yes #Bytecode yes # Set bytecode security level. # Possible values: # None - no security at all, meant for debugging. DO NOT USE THIS ON PRODUCTION SYSTEMS # This value is only available if clamav was built with --enable-debug! # TrustSigned - trust bytecode loaded from signed .c[lv]d files, # insert runtime safety checks for bytecode loaded from other sources # Paranoid - don't trust any bytecode, insert runtime checks for all # Recommended: TrustSigned, because bytecode in .cvd files already has these checks # Note that by default only signed bytecode is loaded, currently you can only # load unsigned bytecode in --enable-debug mode. # # Default: TrustSigned #BytecodeSecurity TrustSigned # Set bytecode timeout in miliseconds. # # Default: 5000 # BytecodeTimeout 1000
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The clamav-clamd file was empty and the clamd.conf was missing. Now it seems to work but I'll need to test a reboot to see if it comes back well.
One small note : the clamav-clamd file you provided needs to be edited to remove a couple of unneeded carriage return.
Thanks for the help.
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A bit confused on how you got it to work. I would highly appreciate if you could please put up a quick step by step procedure.
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Anyone else got this to work? Missing out on v2.1 just coz of this clamd issue… sigh >:(
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I just did a fresh install of the 2.1 amd64 build from 8/29 and had no issues at all…
I installed the following packages in order...
cron
vhosts
dansguardian
squid3
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hmmm.. ok.. did you activate clamd ???
Also, if I am not mistaken.. you must have configured dans "after" installing squid3.. as dans works on squid
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I just did a fresh install of the 2.1 amd64 build from 8/29 and had no issues at all…
I installed the following packages in order...
cron
vhosts
dansguardian
squid3
OpenVPN Client Export Utilitysame old issue..
$ freshclam
ERROR: Problem with internal logger (UpdateLogFile = /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log).
ERROR: Can't open /var/log/clamav/freshclam.log in append mode (check permissions!). -
hmmm.. ok.. did you activate clamd ???
Also, if I am not mistaken.. you must have configured dans "after" installing squid3.. as dans works on squid
To be honest… what I did is install all of the packages listed above in the order that I listed. Then I did the following
1.) rebooted
2.) copied over a config.xml that already had all of the DG and squid settings I wanted (turns on clam for example).
3.) rebooted
5.) ran the DG blacklist download (since my config.xml uses a different blacklist site)
6.) started DG manually
7.) validated that everything was running (ps -ax | grep clam, ps -ax | grep dans, ps -ax | grep squid)
8.) rebooted
9.) validate that everything was running -
Just as a quick follow-up. I did another install of 2.1 RC2 i386 version today. With the following steps, I'm not having any issue…
1. Install pfsense 2.1 RC2 using normal USB install
2. Reboot and assign WAN and LAN interfaces
3. Select "Set interface(s) IP address" from the menu (2)
choose the LAN interface
change IP address to 192.168.4.1
change bitcount to 24
enable DHCP server Y
starting 192.168.4.100
ending 192.168.4.150
revert to HTTP Y
NO Gateway or IPV6
4. Select "Enable Secure Shell (sshd)" (14) from the menu
5. Login to the web interface as admin/pfsense at http://192.168.4.1
6. Skip the setup wizard by going to 192.168.4.1 again after the wizard starts
7. Install the following packages in order (System/Packages):
cron
vhosts
dansguardian
squid3
OpenVPN Client Export Utility
8. Go into the proxy settings and click "save"
9. Go into DG settings and enable DG and save
10. Go into DG settings and add the URL for blacklist download, set to happen every other day
11. Go into DG settings and turn on ClamI logged into the secure shell and validated that everything was running. I then rebooted the box and validated that everything was running.
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Ahh you are on i386.. I am on amd64 .. That could be the issue. I have 8GB RAM.. so i386 is not for me.
The amd64 dans package still needs to be updated for compatibility with 2.1
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Ahh you are on i386.. I am on amd64 .. That could be the issue. I have 8GB RAM.. so i386 is not for me.
The amd64 dans package still needs to be updated for compatibility with 2.1
The install I referenced earlier in this thread was amd64 - it worked as well. However, as soon as the new 2.1 release bits come out I will try it again and let you know the steps/results.
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Great. Thanks!
I am thinking of creating a new test 2.0.3 install and restore my current stable 2.0.3 config.xml to it.. and do a 2.1 upgrade on it. If that works then I will make a copy of the new 2.1 config.xml and use it for future installs. Something tells me it won't work.. but who cares I will still test it out :)
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Great. Thanks!
I am thinking of creating a new test 2.0.3 install and restore my current stable 2.0.3 config.xml to it.. and do a 2.1 upgrade on it. If that works then I will make a copy of the new 2.1 config.xml and use it for future installs. Something tells me it won't work.. but who cares I will still test it out :)
Yea I can't imagine that will make much difference.
Apologize - doesn't seem like I'm being much help, but I haven't been able to replicate the problem you're having. What you describe happened to me on some builds about a month ago, but I haven't had an issue in quite a while…
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Made some progress.. while at least a step forward..
Still on 2.0.3 I wanted to try Squid3 for sometime but could never get it to work with Dans. This time I installed Dans first on a clean install and then Squid3 after that. One thing I forgot to mention is that I used to install Snort as the first package after every clean install but this time I installed it in the end. Maybe this must have resolved the issue. Logic said to install Squid first as Dans is dependent on Squid but when I saw other folks on this forum installing Dans before Squid, I tried it for the sake of doing it and it worked. Ran freshclam manually after a reboot as the automated freshclam instance hangs (have seen it behave the same way earlier)
One issue I have noticed is that "transparent proxy" feature in Squid3 does not work. If I select that option all clients on the network fail to reach the internet. I could get them to work by specifying a web proxy with port 3128 and that worked fine. This wasn't the case in Squid2. But this annoyance is not much of an issue for me right now as use Dans NAT forced rules to forward all traffic to port 8080. So its kinda transparent for all network devices. But I would still like to see the transparent proxy issue resolved in Squid3.
Has anyone tested the new dev-Squid3 install yet with Dans?
My next step is to wait for the final release of v2.1 and then do the same steps as above to install Dans. I suspect Snort package install corrupting the Dans installation … but I may be wrong.
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Made some progress.. while at least a step forward..
Still on 2.0.3 I wanted to try Squid3 for sometime but could never get it to work with Dans. This time I installed Dans first on a clean install and then Squid3 after that. One thing I forgot to mention is that I used to install Snort as the first package after every clean install but this time I installed it in the end. Maybe this must have resolved the issue. Logic said to install Squid first as Dans is dependent on Squid but when I saw other folks on this forum installing Dans before Squid, I tried it for the sake of doing it and it worked. Ran freshclam manually after a reboot as the automated freshclam instance hangs (have seen it behave the same way earlier)
You definitely need to install squid3 after dans. I believe it's because Dans installs squid2 and installing after essentially replaces the squid2 install
One issue I have noticed is that "transparent proxy" feature in Squid3 does not work. If I select that option all clients on the network fail to reach the internet. I could get them to work by specifying a web proxy with port 3128 and that worked fine. This wasn't the case in Squid2. But this annoyance is not much of an issue for me right now as use Dans NAT forced rules to forward all traffic to port 8080. So its kinda transparent for all network devices. But I would still like to see the transparent proxy issue resolved in Squid3.
I'm not really sure what you mean by this… If you are installing Dans, you would typically send all clients to dans either through a NAT rule or by the client proxy configuration (manuall or using proxy PAC file). Then you would block anyone from directly accessing squid by using a firewall rule or in the squid config itself - i.e. no one should be able to use squid proxy directly on 3128. If that's how you set things up, it makes no difference whether you select "transparent" or not on the squid configuration.
Has anyone tested the new dev-Squid3 install yet with Dans?
My next step is to wait for the final release of v2.1 and then do the same steps as above to install Dans. I suspect Snort package install corrupting the Dans installation … but I may be wrong.
Havent' tried dev-Squid3 or Snort. 2.1 works fine though…
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I don't think Dans installs Squid2. Its dependent on it but it won't install it. You would have to install it manually.
I bypass Dans for just myself for testing stuff ;) and add my laptop IP in the exclusion list so that it's filtered.
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Still can't make Dans work on 2.1 .. moving back to 2.0.3 :(
php: rc.start_packages: The command '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh start' returned exit code '127', the output was '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh: not found'
Sep 21 15:22:22 php: rc.start_packages: [Dansguardian] - Save settings package call pr: bp:1 rpc:no
Sep 21 15:22:22 php: rc.start_packages: Starting Dansguardian -
Why do you need squid3? Just wondering?
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Still can't make Dans work on 2.1 .. moving back to 2.0.3 :(
php: rc.start_packages: The command '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh start' returned exit code '127', the output was '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/dansguardian.sh: not found'
Sep 21 15:22:22 php: rc.start_packages: [Dansguardian] - Save settings package call pr: bp:1 rpc:no
Sep 21 15:22:22 php: rc.start_packages: Starting DansguardianI've installed DG and Squid3 on 2.1 at least a half dozen times and never had this problem. I will try to replicate your issue if it would be helpful, but I would need to know exactly what you are doing and in what order…