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    So, what would be a really reliable VPN-provider?

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    • ?
      Guest
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      @jflsakfja:

      The only way to get around those "procedures" is to prevent the provider from getting their hands on any metadata in the first place. Barring the rare occasions when providers install hardware backdoors in systems they host (don't want to point any fingers, but yes, they did), the only way to have a reliable VPN services is to rent hardware at a datacenter. Not a VPS, an entire server. Set up hardware encryption on it, lock it down, then only have it accept VPN connections from your pfsense, and send those connections through a different hosted server. Do this a couple of times in different legal regions, and it's as good as it gets when it comes to VPN.

      This was the original / genesis idea behind the "rack of NUCs".  (http://imgur.com/6DNonNp)

      @jflsakfja:

      Most datacenters will not bother with keeping logs for a long time about who is connecting to what, or any logs for that matter,

      It's not that they won't bother, it's that, at that level, they can't.  It would be like sampling a firehose with a test tube.

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        A Former User
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        @gonzopancho:

        This was the original / genesis idea behind the "rack of NUCs".  (http://imgur.com/6DNonNp)

        Yeap, hardware prices have gone way down, there is (IMHO) no reason to shoot for a VPS instead of a small dedicated server.

        @gonzopancho:

        It's not that they won't bother, it's that, at that level, they can't.  It would be like sampling a firehose with a test tube.

        Agreed.

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          @jflsakfja:

          @gonzopancho:

          This was the original / genesis idea behind the "rack of NUCs".  (http://imgur.com/6DNonNp)

          Yeap, hardware prices have gone way down, there is (IMHO) no reason to shoot for a VPS instead of a small dedicated server.

          in a datacenter, the limiting factor is not space, hardware or bandwidth.

          It's power.

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            I think this has already been discussed (in the thread even) but the advantages of using a VPS are that you can run whatever you want on it, so any VPN type you like, and that you will get an IP that's unlikely to be blacklisted as a VPN endpoint. I hadn't really ever considered security (or lack of) between virtual machines to be an issue. From a privacy/logging point of view is there much difference between a VPS and dedicated hardware?
            Currently I run neither but have often considered it.

            Srece Steve
            Edit: Can't even type my name.  ::)

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              A Former User
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              @stephenw10:

              I think this has already been discussed (in the thread even) but the advantages of using a VPS are that you can run whatever you want on it, so any VPN type you like, and that you will get an IP that's unlikely to be blacklisted as a VPN endpoint. I hadn't really ever considered security (or lack of) between virtual machines to be an issue. From a privacy/logging point of view is there much difference between a VPS and dedicated hardware?
              Currently I run neither but have often considered it.

              Srece

              I'd be more inclined to log the VPSs instead of the dedicated servers to be honest. In general VPSs attract more abusers than dedicated servers, in my experience, which considering an abuse report will come in, you need something to troubleshoot it with. YMMV

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