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    Alternative DNS Servers - no filter/censorship (buydomains.com problem)

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    • MikeV7896M
      MikeV7896
      last edited by

      I benchmarked my DNS options using the GRC utility. There were 43 external servers that I was able to access.

      For uncached queries, my server was only 50ms slower than the fastest alternative.
      For cached queries, there was nothing faster than a 1ms response time, since the server is local. :)

      For just 1/20th of a second of delay I'd rather know that my DNS results are coming straight from the source rather than potentially poisoned by a third-party DNS server. Like you, I also prefer to not be forwarded to a domain seller or search results if I mistype a web address.

      So with these pieces of information, I happily choose Unbound as my DNS option rather than using an external server.

      The S in IOT stands for Security

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        kejianshi
        last edited by

        Yes - Totally agree ^

        I'd still love to hear, is there a downside to hardening glue and hardening DNSSEC.

        Seems like a great idea at first glace but not sure if it will cost me anything?

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          MrGlasspoole
          last edited by

          @kejianshi:

          What I told you is default, works well and is secure.  Prevents DNS tampering.  Sounds pretty ideal.

          Ok, so no adding some servers like KOM listed?
          But what about the the pointing to modem thing (system -> routing -> gateways)?

          @johnpoz:

          Ideal settings for what network?

          For what i want to do: Fast non filtering/censorshiping DNS.
          I have two wireless devices with DD-WRT that only act as AP and don't know what segment means.

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            kejianshi
            last edited by

            Don't mess with the gateways - You will shut yourself out of the internet more than likely if you play with that.

            HOWEVER - You really should either get a pure modem with no NAT or figure out how to get your modem into bridged mode (I'd bet this can be done without hacking)

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              Trel
              last edited by

              @kejianshi:

              Don't mess with the gateways - You will shut yourself out of the internet more than likely if you play with that.

              HOWEVER - You really should either get a pure modem with no NAT or figure out how to get your modem into bridged mode (I'd bet this can be done without hacking)

              If it's Comcast, spring for the pure modem.
              Otherwise, it takes 20 minutes on the phone with them to get it into bridged mode and it'll revert back to a gateway anytime it has a power blip.

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                MrGlasspoole
                last edited by

                A pure modem is not possible cause this box is the only one where you can
                get 3 phone numbers and the numbers only work with this box.
                There are only 2 Cable ISPs in Germany and both use this box.

                bridged mode is not possible - there is a whole thread in the German forum.
                Only business customers get it - for private customers it's blocked.
                I can be happy that my connection is some years old cause new customers get IPv6 and that is only DS-Lite.

                So others say don't point to the modem/router and you say don't mess with it and leave it as is?

                @Trel:

                If it's Comcast, spring for the pure modem.

                It's one of the two german cable providers and there is no chance for a modem cause only with this box
                you can phone with there numbers and they don't let you bridge.

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                  firewalluser
                  last edited by

                  @kejianshi:

                  If you go into the advanced and enable Prefetch Support and Prefetch DNS Key Support sites you visit often will be kept warm in cache and rechecked and recached often and won't expire.

                  Doesnt that still generate traffic patterns over and above the normal dns patterns, creating what some would call a needle in a haystack?

                  Capitalism, currently The World's best Entertainment Control System and YOU cant buy it! But you can buy this, or some of this or some of these

                  Asch Conformity, mainly the blind leading the blind.

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                    kejianshi
                    last edited by

                    Not sure what you mean by "Needle in a haystack"

                    It will simply query the root servers for sites you visit very often instead of allowing them to age off.

                    Yes, there will be more DNS traffic, but thats not a bad thing in anyway I can think of.

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      That's how they found Bin Laden, or so I hear.  Constant DNS cache refreshes for 72virgins.haha.sexyfun.net.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        kejianshi
                        last edited by

                        I'll be  expecting boots at my door any moment then I guess…

                        Since I couldn't find a good answer on how hardening DNSSEC and glue might impact my DNS performance, and no one answered my several posts on the subject, I just turned it on, turned on the Unwanted Reply Threshold also...

                        If it does something unwanted, I will post back - somewhere...

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                          firewalluser
                          last edited by

                          Just trying TTL 2147483647 which will generate its own operational signature.

                          https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2181.txt Section 8 TTL.

                          Capitalism, currently The World's best Entertainment Control System and YOU cant buy it! But you can buy this, or some of this or some of these

                          Asch Conformity, mainly the blind leading the blind.

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                            kejianshi
                            last edited by

                            Ohhhhh. Tell me how that turns out…

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                            • KOMK
                              KOM
                              last edited by

                              Just today

                              D-Link Routers Vulnerable To DNS Hijacking

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                                kejianshi
                                last edited by

                                Actually anything not running DNSSEC is vulnerable to this attack:

                                1st Man on the side attack where you someone listening passively on the side does packet injection and spoofs a DNS response faster than the real DNS server.  They send you to their fake server loaded with forged certs and forged websites that look like the real thing.  (Thats the really evil version) or perhaps they just redirect you to some BS crap shopping site.

                                2nd Once your server connects to theirs they fake the website you were trying to visit and complete the HTTPS transaction and forward you on to the real site - via their server.  Now they are the man in the middle and can read your supposedly encrypted traffic, inject packets inject malware, whatever.

                                So, thats pretty much 99% of the web users are vulnerable.

                                IMHO pfsense doesn't sell its self hard enough on its security features.  Not in terms average buyers can grasp anyway.

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                                  Trel
                                  last edited by

                                  @kejianshi:

                                  1st Man on the side attack where you someone listening passively on the side does packet injection and spoofs a DNS response faster than the real DNS server.  They send you to their fake server loaded with forged certs and forged websites that look like the real thing.  (Thats the really evil version) or perhaps they just redirect you to some BS crap shopping site.

                                  Wonder if that was the case with this one: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=87491.0

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                                    kejianshi
                                    last edited by

                                    No idea - maybe.

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                                      MrGlasspoole
                                      last edited by

                                      Ok, i made some screen shoots of the settings i have now.

                                      @kejianshi
                                      I'm still not sure about the gateway.
                                      You said pointing to the modem is how grandmother did it: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=87678.msg483085#msg483085
                                      But then you said: "Don't mess with the gateways".

                                      And to make sure i get it right: With this settings i get name resolving directly from the 13 Root-Nameservers (Anycast aside)?
                                      If thats the case then why everywhere are this alternative DNS server lists and why is this not the default in routers from ISPs?

                                      I guess i change the title of this thread - maybe it helps others.

                                      Interfaces---LAN.png
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                                      Interfaces---WAN.png
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                                      Services---DNS-Resolver.png
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                                      System---Gateways---Edit-gateway.png
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                                      • DerelictD
                                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                        last edited by

                                        Name servers that return a bullshit IP address instead of NXDOMAIN for A records that don't exist are an abomination.

                                        I will be switching over to a resolver-based configuration this weekend now that I'm on 2.2.

                                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          well your resolver is on all all, which is not how I would set it up.

                                          Resolver should only listen on your lan port, and should only talk to other dns on your wan.

                                          And don't see how you expect pfsense to resolve anything - so its not going to be able to check for updates..

                                          An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                                          If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                                          Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                                          SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

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                                            kejianshi
                                            last edited by

                                            You could deselect WAN without hurting anything or you could just not open port 53 on WAN…  Either way.  (P.S. Its not open) 
                                            It should work and resolve just fine the way you have it here.

                                            Easy way to check if your system is resolving and if you can get updates is to go to the main pfsense gui and see if it show "you are on current version"

                                            If it does, your pfsense is resolving fine for its self and probably for all the other machines on the LAN.

                                            Now, go to https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ and see how many resolvers show up.

                                            Hopefully its like...1

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