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    Alternative DNS Servers - no filter/censorship (buydomains.com problem)

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      firewalluser
      last edited by

      @kejianshi:

      If you go into the advanced and enable Prefetch Support and Prefetch DNS Key Support sites you visit often will be kept warm in cache and rechecked and recached often and won't expire.

      Doesnt that still generate traffic patterns over and above the normal dns patterns, creating what some would call a needle in a haystack?

      Capitalism, currently The World's best Entertainment Control System and YOU cant buy it! But you can buy this, or some of this or some of these

      Asch Conformity, mainly the blind leading the blind.

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        kejianshi
        last edited by

        Not sure what you mean by "Needle in a haystack"

        It will simply query the root servers for sites you visit very often instead of allowing them to age off.

        Yes, there will be more DNS traffic, but thats not a bad thing in anyway I can think of.

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        • DerelictD
          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
          last edited by

          That's how they found Bin Laden, or so I hear.  Constant DNS cache refreshes for 72virgins.haha.sexyfun.net.

          Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
          A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
          DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
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            kejianshi
            last edited by

            I'll be  expecting boots at my door any moment then I guess…

            Since I couldn't find a good answer on how hardening DNSSEC and glue might impact my DNS performance, and no one answered my several posts on the subject, I just turned it on, turned on the Unwanted Reply Threshold also...

            If it does something unwanted, I will post back - somewhere...

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              firewalluser
              last edited by

              Just trying TTL 2147483647 which will generate its own operational signature.

              https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2181.txt Section 8 TTL.

              Capitalism, currently The World's best Entertainment Control System and YOU cant buy it! But you can buy this, or some of this or some of these

              Asch Conformity, mainly the blind leading the blind.

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                kejianshi
                last edited by

                Ohhhhh. Tell me how that turns out…

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                  KOM
                  last edited by

                  Just today

                  D-Link Routers Vulnerable To DNS Hijacking

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                    kejianshi
                    last edited by

                    Actually anything not running DNSSEC is vulnerable to this attack:

                    1st Man on the side attack where you someone listening passively on the side does packet injection and spoofs a DNS response faster than the real DNS server.  They send you to their fake server loaded with forged certs and forged websites that look like the real thing.  (Thats the really evil version) or perhaps they just redirect you to some BS crap shopping site.

                    2nd Once your server connects to theirs they fake the website you were trying to visit and complete the HTTPS transaction and forward you on to the real site - via their server.  Now they are the man in the middle and can read your supposedly encrypted traffic, inject packets inject malware, whatever.

                    So, thats pretty much 99% of the web users are vulnerable.

                    IMHO pfsense doesn't sell its self hard enough on its security features.  Not in terms average buyers can grasp anyway.

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                      Trel
                      last edited by

                      @kejianshi:

                      1st Man on the side attack where you someone listening passively on the side does packet injection and spoofs a DNS response faster than the real DNS server.  They send you to their fake server loaded with forged certs and forged websites that look like the real thing.  (Thats the really evil version) or perhaps they just redirect you to some BS crap shopping site.

                      Wonder if that was the case with this one: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=87491.0

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                        kejianshi
                        last edited by

                        No idea - maybe.

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                          MrGlasspoole
                          last edited by

                          Ok, i made some screen shoots of the settings i have now.

                          @kejianshi
                          I'm still not sure about the gateway.
                          You said pointing to the modem is how grandmother did it: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=87678.msg483085#msg483085
                          But then you said: "Don't mess with the gateways".

                          And to make sure i get it right: With this settings i get name resolving directly from the 13 Root-Nameservers (Anycast aside)?
                          If thats the case then why everywhere are this alternative DNS server lists and why is this not the default in routers from ISPs?

                          I guess i change the title of this thread - maybe it helps others.

                          Interfaces---LAN.png
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                          Interfaces---WAN.png
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                          Services---DNS-Resolver.png
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                          Services---DNS-Resolver---Advanced.png
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                          System---Gateways---Edit-gateway.png
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                          System---General-Setup.png
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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            Name servers that return a bullshit IP address instead of NXDOMAIN for A records that don't exist are an abomination.

                            I will be switching over to a resolver-based configuration this weekend now that I'm on 2.2.

                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by

                              well your resolver is on all all, which is not how I would set it up.

                              Resolver should only listen on your lan port, and should only talk to other dns on your wan.

                              And don't see how you expect pfsense to resolve anything - so its not going to be able to check for updates..

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                                kejianshi
                                last edited by

                                You could deselect WAN without hurting anything or you could just not open port 53 on WAN…  Either way.  (P.S. Its not open) 
                                It should work and resolve just fine the way you have it here.

                                Easy way to check if your system is resolving and if you can get updates is to go to the main pfsense gui and see if it show "you are on current version"

                                If it does, your pfsense is resolving fine for its self and probably for all the other machines on the LAN.

                                Now, go to https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ and see how many resolvers show up.

                                Hopefully its like...1

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                                  MrGlasspoole
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                                  Selecting just LAN on "Network Interfaces" and "Outgoing Network Interfaces" gives the error:
                                  This system is configured to use the DNS Resolver as its DNS server, so Localhost or All must be selected in Network Interfaces.

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                                    kejianshi
                                    last edited by

                                    Select all.  Port 53 is closed on the WAN.  No issues there.

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                                      MrGlasspoole
                                      last edited by

                                      Now only the gateway question is still open :)

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                        last edited by

                                        Then select both lan and localhost ;)  ALL is BAD practice!!

                                        Here is mine

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                                          kejianshi
                                          last edited by

                                          I wouldn't screw with the gateway…  unless you are in the mood to upgrade to a ISP/Modem combo that gets you a public IP on the pfsense wan?

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                                            kejianshi
                                            last edited by

                                            Not sure if you know, but you select individual interfaces by holding the cntl key while clicking on the ones you want.

                                            What johnpoz is saying is best - I was trying to keep it simple…

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