Netgate FW-7551 vs RCC-VE 2440

Keyhaku

Hi,

I'm trying to build my home firewall, i'm currently choosing the hardware.

From what I read, the best are the ones using C2xxxx Atom Series, these leave us with 2 nice boards from netgate, the FW-7551 that everyone seems to use and a cheaper one the RCC-VE 2440.

Apart the price and the fact that RAM is non ECC on the RCC-VE 2440, I don't really get the difference.
Do you see anything important that would differentiate them ?

Thanks in advance for your answer,
Regards.

P.S : Do you know a good vendor in Europe that would see these 2 boards ?

solignis

If you are looking for a nice simple solution for a home router I would recommend an PC engines APU.

http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm

Just get the case and power brick and you are all set.

Personally I would not get the wireless adapters from them, I had a lot of trouble with their cards with FreeBSD.

But the board itself is great it handles my 105mbps / 20mbps connection at home so it can take a lot.

cmb

@Keyhaku:

Apart the price and the fact that RAM is non ECC on the RCC-VE 2440, I don't really get the difference.
Do you see anything important that would differentiate them ?

Mainly the "Pre-order now. Ships in March 2015." part. :)

Those will replace the existing platforms like the 7551 once they're available. They aren't yet.

@Keyhaku:

P.S : Do you know a good vendor in Europe that would see these 2 boards ?

We ship worldwide. There will be resellers in Europe, info to come.

bennyc

@cmb:

We ship worldwide.

problem is that insured shipping & import tax really increases the price, up to the point it is getting ridiculous and it becomes hard to justify such a purchase.

@cmb:

There will be resellers in Europe, info to come.

Looking forward to it ;)

Keyhaku

@cmb:

Mainly the "Pre-order now. Ships in March 2015." part. :)

Those will replace the existing platforms like the 7551 once they're available. They aren't yet.

Great, I don't mind waiting for March ;)

@cmb:

We ship worldwide. There will be resellers in Europe, info to come.

Nice ! Don't hesitate to put the information in this topic.

I had another question, is there the space to put a msata SSD ? What about a 2.5" SSD, is it mandatory to have brackets ?

Thanks

jasonlitka

@cmb:

@Keyhaku:

Apart the price and the fact that RAM is non ECC on the RCC-VE 2440, I don't really get the difference.
Do you see anything important that would differentiate them ?

Mainly the "Pre-order now. Ships in March 2015." part. :)

Those will replace the existing platforms like the 7551 once they're available. They aren't yet.

@Keyhaku:

P.S : Do you know a good vendor in Europe that would see these 2 boards ?

We ship worldwide. There will be resellers in Europe, info to come.

I emailed Netgate the other day and haven't heard back yet. Is that early March or late March?

alex84

@Jason:

@cmb:

@Keyhaku:

Apart the price and the fact that RAM is non ECC on the RCC-VE 2440, I don't really get the difference.
Do you see anything important that would differentiate them ?

Mainly the "Pre-order now. Ships in March 2015." part. :)

Those will replace the existing platforms like the 7551 once they're available. They aren't yet.

@Keyhaku:

P.S : Do you know a good vendor in Europe that would see these 2 boards ?

We ship worldwide. There will be resellers in Europe, info to come.

I emailed Netgate the other day and haven't heard back yet. Is that early March or late March?

I have email netgate 3 times, 1 time a week for 3 weeks and still wating for my questions to be answerd. Soon to give up hope.

cmb

@Jason:

I emailed Netgate the other day and haven't heard back yet. Is that early March or late March?

Dates aren't firm from the manufacturer yet, so that's a question without an answer right now. I'm sure everyone who inquires will receive a response once something is known.

ConcreteRooster

I posted about this in another thread, but this SuperMicro A1SRI-2558F-O looks to be comparable to the RCC-VE 2440. In the USA, the bare board can be had for $250. By the time you add in memory, storage, PSU and case it might exceed the Netgate's cost. But it arguably offers a little more flexibility (RAM is not fixed), ECC memory, and out-of-band IPMI management is always nice. It's also available now. I'm guessing that the Netgate probably has lower power consumption though. Just another option to consider.

Protoman

The one thing that the RCC-VE 2440 does have that the others don't mention or seemingly have is mSATA and 2x MiniPCIe. I am waiting for the RCC-VE 2440 for these reasons alone so I can possibly get rid of my current wireless router (or use it as a backup).

Keyhaku

Bump !

Any news about Europe Store that would sell RCC-VE 2440 ?

henrik_meyer

@Keyhaku:

Bump !

Any news about Europe Store that would sell RCC-VE 2440 ?

I have just ordered 2 to Denmark.
Excited to see the final price incl tax.

auroranl

Hi,

I ordered a rcc-ve 2440 and want to add a HDD for the disk intensive stuff. I see the board has a SATA II port, but how can you power the HDD?

jasonlitka

@auroranl:

Hi,

I ordered a rcc-ve 2440 and want to add a HDD for the disk intensive stuff. I see the board has a SATA II port, but how can you power the HDD?

I suspect it has something to do with "12 VDC Power Input Connector (call for ATX availability and MOQ)".

I'd suggest using a mSATA SSD instead.

auroranl

Jason,

I am planning on running Squid and other disk write intensive addons and was under the impression based on other forum posts that SSD is niet advised in that case. Any views on this are most welcome.

@auroranl:

Hi,

I ordered a rcc-ve 2440 and want to add a HDD for the disk intensive stuff. I see the board has a SATA II port, but how can you power the HDD?

I suggest that m-sata is your best choice here.

I've got a 512GB m-SATA in one right now. :-)

@Jason:

@cmb:

@Keyhaku:

Apart the price and the fact that RAM is non ECC on the RCC-VE 2440, I don't really get the difference.
Do you see anything important that would differentiate them ?

Mainly the "Pre-order now. Ships in March 2015." part. :)

Those will replace the existing platforms like the 7551 once they're available. They aren't yet.

@Keyhaku:

P.S : Do you know a good vendor in Europe that would see these 2 boards ?

We ship worldwide. There will be resellers in Europe, info to come.

I emailed Netgate the other day and haven't heard back yet. Is that early March or late March?

mid-March

bennyc

@Keyhaku:

Bump !

Any news about Europe Store that would sell RCC-VE 2440 ?

Bump +1

(I've seen the new shiny SG-2440…)

Keyhaku

Up !

Still no news about resellers in Europe ?

@henrik_meyer:

I have just ordered 2 to Denmark.
Excited to see the final price incl tax.

Have you received it ? Can you tell us about the final price ?

paulsgrigg

Am also interested in info about European distributers

ph32

I just received a RCC-VE 2440 device, here are the additional costs I paid for importing to Europe:

€ 22 bank fee
$ 28 bank fee (could be more than actually needed)
$ 50 delivery costs
20% tax (on product price AND delivery costs, paid to the postman, depends on your residence)
no customs
shipment duration of 2 days

Hope this helps,

have a nice day

PS: the supplied power adapter is 40W category V and compatible to IEC-320-C13 cables

bennyc

Seen those new black boxes recently at varia-store.com, prices in €, german distributor, who has +- normal prices compared with others. For that 2240 model, their webshop lists: "Price: from 643,79 EUR excl. Shipping costs"

rate today: USD/EUR 0,89

So you payed €488 (device+shipping) + €97 (20% tax) + €22 (bank fee), that equals about €608 incl. Shipping costs.
(under the assumption you only payed once a bank fee, otherwise we need to add €25 (=$28, but not sure what you mean with your comments)
Even with that 2nd fee added, you bought it cheaper than when through European retail store, but you had to cope with bank fee(s), extra tax, and of course the risk (unknown factor).

Interesting.

ph32

@bennyc:

Seen those new black boxes recently at varia-store.com, prices in €, german distributor, who has +- normal prices compared with others. For that 2240 model, their webshop lists: "Price: from 643,79 EUR excl. Shipping costs"

rate today: USD/EUR 0,89

So you payed €488 (device+shipping) + €97 (20% tax) + €22 (bank fee), that equals about €608 incl. Shipping costs.
(under the assumption you only payed once a bank fee, otherwise we need to add €25 (=$28, but not sure what you mean with your comments)
Even with that 2nd fee added, you bought it cheaper than when through European retail store, but you had to cope with bank fee(s), extra tax, and of course the risk (unknown factor).

Interesting.

Device listing price: $353. What I payed in total: €492

Looks expensive, but don't forget that usually no tax is included in the listed prices in us shops. You only have to pay the tax for your country (where the package is imported to).

The $28 were basically a buffer in case bank fees on their side occur. Not really a legitimate practice, but I did get $18 back later on. The €22 fee was the charge of my local bank for the bank check and currency change (many us companies do not provide international bank account numbers).

PS: I did not find any EU reseller at time of ordering.

But you are right:

http://varia-store.com/Ready-Systems/pfSense/pfSense-SG-2440-Security-Gateway-Appliance::27988.html

that's the same device.

If the alrdy installed pfSense and the included support is important to you - that's maybe the better choice.

PPS: It's possible to order the board only, thats about $100 cheaper, but the case is actually quite nice.