Off Topic - Home POE switch



  • Looking for a gigabit switch with POE.
    12+ ports affordable for home use.

    Any suggestions or experiences?

    Thanks.

    H.,


  • Banned

    Yeah I have horrible experience with UBNT Toughswitch. Do NOT touch that….


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    Gigabit PoE is still kind of spendy for the home.

    Do you really need 12 ports of PoE and the power budget that comes along with it?

    This is only a 10-port but will likely do everything you will ever need. Cisco Small Business SG200-10P US$266

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833420591



  • I heard good things about dlink PoE switches, pro line. No personal experience with them though.
    I'm using an Cisco SG-300-10P at home, doing a fine job here but might be overkill for you. (you didn't specify other requirements than Gb and PoE)

    Anyway, one fact -> PoE = be prepared to lay down some €€ (or $$), either brand you take.



  • Personally I prefer Cisco SG300 but SG200 will do your job probably fine.
    Don't know about TP-Link PoE devices since I only used their non-PoE gear, which is reasonably priced and works great.
    Stay away from Netgear if you ask me…



  • I really dont need 12 ports with both gigabit and POE.
    But maybe I want it :)

    I am willing to pay 200-300 bucks so I am looking to see what options thats out there.
    Netgear has one too.  Not looked much whats available or any reviews.

    I might just go with a inexpensive 100mb small switch.
    I need it for a phone, and a few cameras and such.
    Nothing that really need gigabit but….

    Thanks.

    H.



  • @Heimire:

    I really dont need 12 ports with both gigabit and POE.
    But maybe I want it :)

    I am willing to pay 200-300 bucks so I am looking to see what options thats out there.
    Netgear has one too.  Not looked much whats available or any reviews.

    I might just go with a inexpensive 100mb small switch.
    I need it for a phone, and a few cameras and such.
    Nothing that really need gigabit but….

    Thanks.

    H.

    I think personally you should first be clear, how much the power budgetof the switch
    must be and how many power each port is able to serve to the devices!

    So what is your budget? For $200 - $300 you will not be able to get an device that is
    matching exact all of your points, as I see it right.

    Netgear GS110TP too less power per each Port
    8 RJ45 GB LAN Ports and 2 SFP Ports fan less
    ~150 €

    Netgear GS516TP - not fan less and only 8 x PoE Ports
    16x 10/100/1000 Mbit Desktop Switch
    ~350 €

    NETGEAR ProSafe GS510TP - not fan less and only 8 x PoE
    8 x 10/100/1000 (PoE) + 2 x SFP
    ~380 €

    Netgear M4100-D10-POE (FSM5210P) - only 100 MBit/s
    8 x 100 MBit/s and 2 GB LAN & SFP combo Ports- fan less
    ~150 €

    Even not enough power, or ports or not fan less for home usage a
    must or should be in my eyes.

    Some of them are delivering 15 watt per each port and some 30 watt
    per each port, but not on all ports together at the same time related to
    the totally power budget!


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    @Heimire:

    I really dont need 12 ports with both gigabit and POE.
    But maybe I want it :)

    I am willing to pay 200-300 bucks so I am looking to see what options thats out there.
    Netgear has one too.  Not looked much whats available or any reviews.

    I might just go with a inexpensive 100mb small switch.
    I need it for a phone, and a few cameras and such.
    Nothing that really need gigabit but….

    Thanks.

    H.

    So go to newegg/cdw/etc and put in your criteria and see what comes up.  That's all we have done.  Let me google that for you.  Until you get up to about $75/port, at the port quantities you're talking about, I feel Cisco Small Business is probably the best deal out there right now.  Until you get to places like the Brocade ICX6430-C12 and upward.



  • @Derelict:

    @Heimire:

    I really dont need 12 ports with both gigabit and POE.
    But maybe I want it :)

    I am willing to pay 200-300 bucks so I am looking to see what options thats out there.
    Netgear has one too.  Not looked much whats available or any reviews.

    I might just go with a inexpensive 100mb small switch.
    I need it for a phone, and a few cameras and such.
    Nothing that really need gigabit but….

    Thanks.

    H.

    So go to newegg/cdw/etc and put in your criteria and see what comes up.  That's all we have done.  Let me google that for you.  Until you get up to about $75/port, at the port quantities you're talking about, I feel Cisco Small Business is probably the best deal out there right now.  Until you get to places like the Brocade ICX6430-C12 and upward.

    I asked if someone had some suggestions and experiences.
    I know how to google.  If you have no suggestions or experiences you really dont need to respond to the post.

    Its like I offended you asking for experiences.



  • BTW: want to buy new or used?
    Some Brocade 24-port GBit switches with PoE can be stolen for less than $100 on eBay, I was told.

    Did you search the forum and look here and there?



  • @Heimire:

    I really dont need 12 ports with both gigabit and POE.
    But maybe I want it :)

    I am willing to pay 200-300 bucks so I am looking to see what options thats out there.
    Netgear has one too.  Not looked much whats available or any reviews.

    I might just go with a inexpensive 100mb small switch.
    I need it for a phone, and a few cameras and such.
    Nothing that really need gigabit but….

    Thanks.

    H.

    If you can manage with 8 ports (4 with PoE) the Cisco SG200-08P would be my choice.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833120656

    I used to have the non PoE version and liked it much better than my Netgear GS108T (I'd stay away from Netgear too).
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833120655

    My biggest complaint about the SG200 series (and GS108T) is how they handle VLAN tags with port mirroring.
    If I recall something to do with VLAN tags not being maintained on the mirror port.  But only of packets entering or leaving the switch (don't recall which)  So packet capturing tagged VLAN traffic could be a little confusing at times.  If I recall think I was told in the Cisco forums that the SG300 series was different in that regard.

    Whatever you decide to go with.  Be aware that many of the lower end switches only offer PoE on a subset of the ports.  And it is not always clearly stated.

    Oh, forgot to mention.  One of the things I really liked about the SG200-08 for home use is that it's a true desktop model design with cables connections in the rear and status on front bezel.

    Some people don't like that it has a power button, but that can be covered over to prevent accidental push.



  • @Heimire:

    I really dont need 12 ports with both gigabit and POE.
    But maybe I want it :)

    Nothing that really need gigabit but….

    Perhaps this could be also something for you:
    WaveRF Gigabit 12-port passive POE injector panel - shielded
    WaveRF 12-port passive POE injector panel
    WaveRF 16-port passive POE injector panel



  • I think it all depends on a few variables:

    • How many PoE devices do you want to use?

    • What kind of PoE devices do you want to use?

    • How many of each kind of PoE devices do you want to use?

    • What is the power draw of each PoE device you want to use?

    I have done some googling for you and I found the following "common" PoE device power requirements:
    (source: http://www.alliedtelesis.com/media/datasheets/howto/8624poe-poe_sd_c.pdf)

    |

    | Device | Power Requirement |
    | IP Phone | 3-6 watts |
    | Wireless Access Point | 4-11 watts |
    | IP Security Camera | 5-12 watts |

    Note: Ofcourse your equipment requirements might differ from the values mentioned above.
    For example: We use Avaya IP 9608 phones, which are listed as power class 1, with a usage up to 3.84 watts

    Usually a PoE device doesn't draw more power than 15.4 watts for PoE, or 30 watts for PoE plus (802.3at/af standards)
    With the list of your devices and their requirements you should look for a suitable switch with enough power budget to provide power to all your devices.

    My tip would be to buy 2 switches:

    • 1 small switch with PoE for your devices

    • 1 regular switch without PoE for you other devices

    If you want to get the maximum power possible from any port on the PoE switch, and all at the same time, prepare for high prices.

    Usually cheaper PoE switches have a pretty low power budget.
    For example: TP-LINK TL-SG1008PE (Which costs about 130 euros where I live)
    Power budget: 124 watts
    8x 10/100/1000 PoE+ ports
    You can saturate all ports with regular PoE (maximum 15.4 watts) devices and stay within the powerbudget. (123.2 watts total)
    However if you want to use PoE+ (maximum 30 watts) you can only use 4 out of 8 ports.

    tl;dr version
    Before you buy a PoE switch first create an overview of your requirements, then go shopping |



  • At home I use a Zyxel GS1900-8HP which is also a managed switch.
    It has a 70W power budget for PoE. I use separate vlans for 4 security camera's, wifi ap and voip telephone
    and had no problems with this pretty cheap 110 € switch.



  • As others already pointed out, it's essential to do your wattage-calculation in order to pick the right switch.

    One important aspect is the fan noise, especially for home usage, as it will annoy you, if the switch is going to be within an audible area.
    I've used TP-Link, Cisco SB and HP Switches >= 24 Ports and wouldn't want any of them in my livingroom  ;)

    At the moment I'm using a TP-Link because it does the job for a nearly unbeatable price…



  • Thanks to everybody for the suggestions.
    Truth be told, I really have no idea what the power requirements will be.
    At this point I have 2 devices and its a total of 13w max.

    I dont know what else I will add but it will probably be a few ip cameras.

    Want to replace a 100mb switch, I have several old gb switches but dont want to use them due to noise.

    I was just looking for some suggestions on what people have used.

    Again, thanks…

    H.



  • @Heimire:

    I was just looking for some suggestions on what people have used.

    Again, thanks…

    H.

    Netgear GS110TP, no fan, ~120 € for three VOIP Phones & one Camera


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