What is the biggest attack in GBPS you stopped
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Lowprofile is also in this test scenario.
And he ended up with a config that stands up to said attacks. Edit: though further testing saw other problems.
I have packet captures of the traffic that's generated by the tools from when lowprofile ran it against one of our systems. It's nothing special that I saw, and we went through multiple types. If someone would like to provide additional pcaps, I'll definitely check them out.
Have you considered that CMB is now under contract and cant disclose? This was something disclosed by Snowden, some individuals were forced/required to form a legal entity under guidance of the NSA.
And now we're into conspiracy theories. No, that's not the case.
The funny thing is my interrupts were low, it was "kernel" that was high.
It's the queues of the NIC, not just kernel. That's where a good chunk of pf's processing will show. Where you're hitting the packet filter hard, that's what you will see.
First one is idle…Second one is during DoS
You have polling enabled, which probably isn't a good idea (in theory it might help such circumstances, in practice especially in a VM it's probably not good). You're also running snort, and logging blocked DDoS traffic from the looks of it. All not good for DoS resiliency.
Put another way it would seem pfsense can hang windows and linux machines sat behind them.
You're passing enough attack traffic through to hang Windows and Linux in that case.
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My last test with 2.2.2 was a big failure. Right now i am struggling to get pfsense stable (2.2.2)
But i did a test and it was not impressive. A standard configuration. After adjusting it was still not good enough at all. So now i will go trough all tweak and tuning again in 2.2.2…. re-google and start all over. the syn proxy feature should easily had solved this issue, but i will make further test and return. I tried with a general SYN proxy rule. I locked my self out from gui... no response, then tried again since it was replying ICMP request, but no difference. The SYN proxy feature should had handled this issue, but it is not working as it should. Same behaviour.Read this as well as i think some settings here would help. http://people.freebsd.org/~jlemon/papers/syncache.pdf
I will return after some test.It would be nice if you could set a treshold for SYN proxy in general. e.x 100 half open connection pr. ip would trigger SYNproxy to be enabled....
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My last test with 2.2.2 was a big failure. Right now i am struggling to get pfsense stable (2.2.2)
Which test was that you were running? I have the traffic saved with the name of the test if it was one of the same named ones.
I keep asking for pcaps and have gotten only what lowprofile helped me get. Supermule, anyone else, save the attack traffic to a pcap and put it somewhere I can download.
Run something like the following:
tcpdump -i em0 -s 0 -w ddos1.pcapWhere em0 is the source interface of the traffic. Replicate what you're seeing, then ctrl-c to break out of the tcpdump. SCP the file off and get it to me. Try not to make it too absurdly large, but a few GB is fine.
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Packet capture crashed and I have filed a crash report on the subject.
EDIT: Managed getting it going. Get the capture here:
http://bruksparken.com/log/files/packetcapture.zip
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@cmb:
Have you considered that CMB is now under contract and cant disclose? This was something disclosed by Snowden, some individuals were forced/required to form a legal entity under guidance of the NSA.
And now we're into conspiracy theories. No, that's not the case.
Put another way it would seem pfsense can hang windows and linux machines sat behind them.
You're passing enough attack traffic through to hang Windows and Linux in that case.
I'm sure you are familiar with the wide ranging contracts that exist in the world today beit Non Disclosure Agreements, or even the more common non compete agreements as exampled here: http://pando.com/2014/03/22/revealed-apple-and-googles-wage-fixing-cartel-involved-dozens-more-companies-over-one-million-employees/
http://www.businessinsider.com/emails-eric-schmidt-sergey-brin-hiring-apple-2014-3?IR=T
http://venturebeat.com/2014/05/23/4-tech-companies-are-paying-a-325m-fine-for-their-illegal-non-compete-pact/Put simply, you are not in a position to prove your innocence, because
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To adhere to the terms of any NDA contract you may have been forced/coerced to sign would mean any disclosure would render you in breach of your contract and liable to whatever penalties may have been included in any agreement and who in their "right" mind would put themselves at a disadvantage?
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Even if you have not signed any NDA contract you still cant prove your innocence, ergo the spooks & govt(s) still win, its classic divide and conquer techniques, which then begs the question why trust military & govt(s) or banks who carry out activities in secret?
What I can say is trust can take ages to build up, but can be destroyed in seconds.
On the point of passing enough traffic through pfsense, this has happened with less than 1mbits of traffic, a simple web page loading can trigger the OS cores to hang. Volume is irrelevant in the example I mention, but in relation to this thread and amounts of data, I wondered two things, exploiting the CPU designs namely cache and/or something network related as also mentioned by Kom here
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=91856.msg517296#msg517296I'm inclined at this stage to err towards something nic related but I will examine the zip posted by supermule to see if I can see anything untoward, but this could be a variation on the heap spraying exploit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heap_spraying
I wonder if those affected are running snort and if so do the problems still exist, assuming snort is already aware of the problem much like AV software need to have found a virus before it can protect against it?
All of the above is said with the best of intentions and for it to be educational to those who might not be aware of the deceit and duplicity in the world today.
Edit.
Has anyone tried an earlier version of pfsense like a 1.x version by any chance? ;)
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M0n0wall suffers the same.
I am running Snort.
I can easily test without it. 2mins.
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Download it here.
No Snort running, but same behaviour.
http://bruksparken.com/log/files/packetcapture_no_snort.zip
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How about an earlier version of pfsense which will have an earlier version of freebsd in as its looking like a OS issue at this stage provided your nic(s) is/are supported in the earlier version of freebsd?
http://files.uk.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/old/
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Havent tested below 2.0.3
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Might be worth trying a 1.x version then as its a process of elimination.
Once/If a version is found that is resiliant to this problem then its a case of finding the differences which between the version that works and the next incremental version that doesnt work.
Not hard to do but will involve a little time when using a text comparison/difference tool like this online example http://text-compare.com/ as both freebsd and pfsense are opensource. Harder to track down with black box software though.
fwiw.
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I might test OpnSense to see if it has the same issues…
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Its a fork and like Kom I believe at this stage its a nic hook issue in the freebsd OS, hence my suggestion to go back to an earlier 1.x version of pfsense which runs an earlier version of freebsd, but feel free to still check out the fork for piece of mind.
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Cannot even install it neither in I386 or AMD64 :D
2.1.5 as I have running in the datacenters are much more resiliant to the SYN flood.
Attached a dump of system activity.
It doesnt get unresponsive at all and is contactable at all times.
Only thing hanging is routing to the servers behind takes forever.
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I'm sure you are familiar with the wide ranging contracts that exist in the world today beit Non Disclosure Agreements, or even the more common non compete agreements as exampled here: http://pando.com/2014/03/22/revealed-apple-and-googles-wage-fixing-cartel-involved-dozens-more-companies-over-one-million-employees/
http://www.businessinsider.com/emails-eric-schmidt-sergey-brin-hiring-apple-2014-3?IR=T
http://venturebeat.com/2014/05/23/4-tech-companies-are-paying-a-325m-fine-for-their-illegal-non-compete-pact/Put simply, you are not in a position to prove your innocence, because
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To adhere to the terms of any NDA contract you may have been forced/coerced to sign would mean any disclosure would render you in breach of your contract and liable to whatever penalties may have been included in any agreement and who in their "right" mind would put themselves at a disadvantage?
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Even if you have not signed any NDA contract you still cant prove your innocence, ergo the spooks & govt(s) still win, its classic divide and conquer techniques, which then begs the question why trust military & govt(s) or banks who carry out activities in secret?
What I can say is trust can take ages to build up, but can be destroyed in seconds.
On the point of passing enough traffic through pfsense, this has happened with less than 1mbits of traffic, a simple web page loading can trigger the OS cores to hang. Volume is irrelevant in the example I mention, but in relation to this thread and amounts of data, I wondered two things, exploiting the CPU designs namely cache and/or something network related as also mentioned by Kom here
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=91856.msg517296#msg517296I'm inclined at this stage to err towards something nic related but I will examine the zip posted by supermule to see if I can see anything untoward, but this could be a variation on the heap spraying exploit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heap_spraying
I wonder if those affected are running snort and if so do the problems still exist, assuming snort is already aware of the problem much like AV software need to have found a virus before it can protect against it?
All of the above is said with the best of intentions and for it to be educational to those who might not be aware of the deceit and duplicity in the world today.
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Has anyone tried an earlier version of pfsense like a 1.x version by any chance? ;)
And likewise by your logic you can't prove you haven't signed a contract with some organization bent on sowing distrust in pfSense in general, or cmb specifically. Your post here looks exactly like what I would expect such an attack to look like. Don't bother denying it, you're obviously under and NDA or non-compete.
Conspiracy theories are great entertainment, but don't get carried away by it.
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Can we pls. get back to fighting DoS here :D
instead of each other?
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Cannot even install it neither in I386 or AMD64 :D
2.1.5 as I have running in the datacenters are much more resiliant to the SYN flood.
Attached a dump of system activity.
It doesnt get unresponsive at all and is contactable at all times.
Only thing hanging is routing to the servers behind takes forever.
Is 2.1.5 running on the same version of FreeBSD as 2.2.2? Basically, PF vs kernel area?
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2.1.x is 8.3 and 2.2.x is 10.1.x
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2.1.x is 8.3 and 2.2.x is 10.1.x
Thanks. So there may be changes in driver and stack code between 8.3 and 10 that would be "interesting". I'm guessing also changes in FreeBSD PF code between the two also.
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Lowprofile saw the same pattern. Even 2.1.5 suffered in terms of routing but didnt have the same unresponsiveness as the 2.2.x branch in 10.1 compared to 8.3.
If I do back to back testing on the systems then 2.1.5 fares much better than 2.2.2.
Both with Snort running.
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2.2 is on 10.1, which means PF supports better threading. Maybe PF is able to consume more CPU in 2.2 than 2.1 or earlier because of this.