Need help choosing between these two switches!



  • Ok, first off for the tl;dr crowd - Cisco SG300-10 or Netgear ProSafe GS116E?

    For anyone else - I need to separate my work laptop and other office equipment from my local network. Work doesn't like my work stuff on any network other than their own, even though I work from home.

    I currently have an 8 port dummy netgear connected to pfsense. 2 lines are run off that to my home office which has a 5 port dummy net gear switch for my laptop, printer, etc.

    I think, because I like to tinker, that my best option is to replace the 8 port with a managed 10 or 16 port and go the VLAN route to separate them to their own LAN. I've narrowed it down to these two. Other than having more ports (which I really won't need), are their any pros/cons of either or experiences anyone would like to share?

    Thanks!!



  • Cisco SG300-10 or Netgear ProSafe GS116E?

    If I have personally to chose one of these switches I would go with the SG300-10 for around ~200 €
    units! Really cool WebGui and also CLI on top of this! Many features, functions and options to realize
    nearly all what would be interesting for a small home network. And the best of it is it will be able to
    route VLANs on wire speed by its own, and not the firewall must be involved to do that.

    I would vote for the Cisco SG300 unit if the money will be there.



  • I'd go for the Cisco if you're at all familiar with the CLI config of Cisco or similar switches.  I just prefer it.  Not sure about GUI interface on the Cisco, but if that's the configuration method you prefer maybe go for the Netgear or any other "smart" switch on the market.  I use a TP-Link TL-SG108E at home.  Not fancy, but supports the features I need, albeit without a command line that I'm aware of.  Might save you a bit of cash if all you need is VLAN support.



  • Thank you both. I've been leaning towards the Cisco, but wanted other opinions first. Having CLI is a great advantage, even though, from what I have read, is that it is not 'true' IOS. As for price, Amazon has both of them right now for about $125 US, which makes it even more difficult since they are literally the same price.

    Anyone else have any opinion on either?

    Thanks!



  • Thank you both. I've been leaning towards the Cisco, but wanted other opinions first. Having CLI is a great advantage, even though, from what I have read, is that it is not 'true' IOS

    It is not the iOS but much better then the other vendors are offering.

    As for price, Amazon has both of them right now for about $125 US, which makes it even more difficult since they are literally the same price.

    The Netgear is a Layer2 switch
    The Cisco is a Layer3 Switch
    (where the Layer3 feature set can be disabled if not needed, but also enabled and this is not able to realize with the Netgear switch)



  • @cf_murph:

    Ok, first off for the tl;dr crowd - Cisco SG300-10 or Netgear ProSafe GS116E?

    For anyone else - I need to separate my work laptop and other office equipment from my local network. Work doesn't like my work stuff on any network other than their own, even though I work from home.

    I currently have an 8 port dummy netgear connected to pfsense. 2 lines are run off that to my home office which has a 5 port dummy net gear switch for my laptop, printer, etc.

    I think, because I like to tinker, that my best option is to replace the 8 port with a managed 10 or 16 port and go the VLAN route to separate them to their own LAN. I've narrowed it down to these two. Other than having more ports (which I really won't need), are their any pros/cons of either or experiences anyone would like to share?

    Thanks!!

    I'm currently using a TP-Link TL-SG2424v2 Smart (Managed) Switch. I like it a lot and it give you 24 ports; of which 4 are SFP combo ports. I picked it up at FRYS Electronics for $169 last year. Quite a bit cheaper and just as good as the two options you have above.

    Here is some of the features which are largely standard but it is quite a bit for the relatively low price.
    • Gigabit Ethernet connections on all ports provide full speed of data transferring
    • L2+ Feature-Static Routing, helps route internal traffic for more efficient use of network resources
    • Integrated security strategy including 802.1Q VLAN, Port Security and Storm control help protect LAN area investment
    • L2/L3/L4 QoS and IGMP snooping optimize voice and video applications
    • IPv6 support with dual IPv4/IPv6 stack, MLD snooping, IPv6 neighbor discovery
    • WEB/CLI managed modes, SNMP, RMON and Dual Image bring abundant management features
    • Industry-leading 2-year warranty and unlimited 24/7 technical support

    http://www.tp-link.com/en/download/TL-SG2424_V2.html
    http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-JetStream-24-Port-Gigabit-T1600G-28TS/dp/B016M1QTS2/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1460540488&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=TL-SG2424+V2



  • @cf_murph:

    Anyone else have any opinion on either?

    Go with the SG300.
    I have yet to see a Cisco fail personally. Five out of the 6 Netgears I've ever had my hands on don't live anymore. No wonder I run when I hear their name.

    You might consider TP-Link switches as well.
    At home I have a TL-SG5428 as core switch and 3 or 4 TL-SG3210 on edges together with one SG300-20 (in the living room, go figure!  ;-).



  • @jahonix:

    Go with the SG300.
    I have yet to see a Cisco fail personally. Five out of the 6 Netgears I've ever had my hands on don't live anymore. No wonder I run when I hear their name.

    Second this.  I have had poor experiences with Netgears.  Their cheap ones will do in a pinch, because they are so cheap, but if you are getting a larger more expensive switch, I'd get something else.

    I've had great experiences with HP Procurve switches.  My current 1810G-24 has been a real trooper.  I have a lifetime overnight replacement warranty on it, but I don't need it because it's never come even close to having a problem.

    If you don't need a 24 port switch, they come in 8 port varieties as well (I have one of these too) and they are great.



  • +1 for the SG300. Have it at home, serving me already a couple of years without any issue. Can be a set and forget if you like it to be…

    I have had that netgear 16-port, and you should be aware that it has no real gui. You need to install a soft that uses bonjour to configure it, and if that wasn't bad enough I wasn't able to choose on which vlan I could access the switch for management. Perhaps in meantime they improved their soft, but at that time it was so and unfortunately I couldn't live with it, so I counted my losses and cashed for a Cisco. (should have done that in the first place, lessons learned)

    You have been warned  ;)

    If you are on a budget, I have set up TP-Links for others, and they feel pretty solid and are loaded with the right set of features. Hard to beat for the money, though they may not have the same MTBF figures as Cisco.

    my 2cents...



  • I have been running a Cisco SG300 switches for a couple years and several months with pfsense.  No issues. I run in layer 3 mode with the switch being my DHCP server and VLAN router.  Pfsense handles all the firewall and internet traffic.



  • Five out of the 6 Netgears I've ever had my hands on don't live anymore. No wonder I run when I hear their name.

    Here in that case I would consider to go with the Cisco SG300 switch and for the same price there should be not
    talked about. But in many other cases I personally and inside of my company where I work we are using Netgear Switches without any problems at all! So some switches from Netgear I would in other case surely suggesting.
    GS105Ev2
    GS108Ev2
    GS105PE
    GS108PE
    GS108Tv2
    GS110T
    GS110TP 
    M5300 series
    M6100 series
    M7100 series
    M7300 series

    Running without any problems and the upcoming M4200 and M4300 series will be also be in use later this
    year so I can´t tell anything about them. There should be no problem to use them straight down the road.



  • Is the the model you guys are recommending?

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833150087&cm_re=SG300--33-150-087--Product



  • @NEK4TE:

    Is the the model you guys are recommending?

    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833150087&cm_re=SG300--33-150-087--Product

    The Cisco SG300-10 is one of the best switches in the field and you can´t make something wrong with it.



  • @NEK4TE:

    Is the the model you guys are recommending?

    Yes if you don't need PoE.



  • @mattlach:

    I've had great experiences with HP Procurve switches.  My current 1810G-24 has been a real trooper.  I have a lifetime overnight replacement warranty on it, but I don't need it because it's never come even close to having a problem.

    If you don't need a 24 port switch, they come in 8 port varieties as well (I have one of these too) and they are great.

    I will completely echo this.  My entire home LAN has HP switches throughout.  I have an 1810g-8, an 1810-24g, and the core switch is an HP 1920-24g-poe+.

    Fantastic gear, all works tremendously well for my purposes.



  • Friend of mine is recommending me to get:  DGS-1100-16 (D-Link) (he has been using it now with his pfSense setup / similar to what i will be doing, without any issue, he says)

    Any thoughts on this? Its cheaper then most of the recommended models.

    However, i will not be doing anything crazy, few VLAN, Probably Link Aggregation (2Ports) with QNAP and maybe few ports Jumbo Frames.

    Please advise


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    The SG300-28 is a Layer 3 switch for $250.

    I have used those DGS-1100 units for some small jobs. They seem to do as they're told.



  • Big thanks for responding sir.

    My concern about this switch is: 802.3ad Link Aggregation

    I am still deciding between 16 and 24 port.

    I just found a review @ newegg:
    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127356CVF&cm_re=DGS-1100-24--33-127-356CVF--Product

    " Cons: No IEEE 802.3ad Dynamic link aggregation support. Hardware version A1. The switch is small, it could be mounted in the rack but will be site in the middle, I was expecting a full size Cisco switch. The switch looks more like desktop switch than a rack mountable switch. "

    After checking @ : http://ca.dlink.com/products/business-solutions/easysmart-16-port-gigabit-switch/
    It shows:
    • 802.3ad Link Aggregation
        • 1 group, 2-4 ports per group (DGS-1100-05)
        • 2 groups, 2-4 ports per group (DGS-1100-08/-08P)
        • 5 groups, 8 ports per group (DGS-1100-10MP)
        • 8 groups, 8 ports per group (DGS-1100-16)
        • 12 groups, 8 ports per group (DGS-1100-24/-24P)
        • 13 groups, 8 ports per group (DGS-1100-26MP)

    The reason i am making sure this switch covers it, is:
    https://www.qnap.com/i/en/tutorial/con_show.php?op=showone&cid=216

    If any1 could advise about this as well, i would really appreciate it.

    Thanks


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    I didn't use .ad in my implementation. I can say it works fine on the SG300. The docs say its supported, so be sure to get the version that it's supported on.



  • Thank you again for fast response.

    I will do some more re-search, as well contact D-Link in the morning.



  • The Cisco SG300 series will be really a nice one and if your QNAP supports an 10 GbE card upgrade
    the D-Link DGS1510 series will be nice too.



  • Thanks for responding.

    Is there any similar mode to this: Cisco SRW2008-K9-NA SG300-10 , which comes with few ports more? covering all features?

    All 10 ports on this switch can be used regularly for VLAN's etc?

    even these 2?:



  • Is there any similar mode to this:

    Is this a typo and you mean perhaps model?

    Cisco SRW2008-K9-NA SG300-10 , which comes with few ports more? covering all features?

    D-Link DGS1510-20 its a 20 port switch and also a layer3 one, but with 2 SFP and 2 SFP+ ports.

    All 10 ports on this switch can be used regularly for VLAN's etc?

    Yes, but eight ports are regular ports, and the other 4 are so called combo ports you can only
    use the two RJ45 ones or the SFP ports!!!



  • Thanks for responding.

    yes, i meant "model" (sorry about that) - 16 - 20 ports, for example, i do not care about POE ports at this time.

    so, i can use regular ports (8 ports) + 2 (combo ports) in total of 10 ports for my home network needs?

    Meaning, when i use RJ45 ports, SFP ports can't be used (and other way around, if SFP ports are used RJ45 can't be used?)

    Would i be able for Link Aggregation to use, lets say, port 6 (from regular ports) and one RJ45 from Combo Ports?

    (I apologize for bothering so much, just, making sure this switch does what i am planing to do - and it is actually more money then what i was going to spend :) )

    Once again, thanks for all inputs/responses/help/recommendations.


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    Yes but it is one port at a time. I think it generally works that if there is an SFP module inserted the corresponding copper port is disabled.

    If you are willing to accept a 20-port you should probably just look at the SG300-28.

    I don't know why you don't just look here:

    http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/switches/small-business-300-series-managed-switches/tsd-products-support-series-home.html

    (Look at that, there is a 16+4-port version)



  • Thanks for responding.

    SG300-28/SG300-20, would work, definitely, but, way, way over the budget.

    Does this make sense / can work like this?

    Also, as i am just about to order this switch, are there any  different hardware revisions, or anything i should be careful of when purchasing?
    (For example some D-Link / Netgear, etc routers, they have Hardware Rev.A , Rev.B, etc.) - so, not sure if this Cisco SG300-10 switch has something like that too.

    Thank you all for your time.


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    Yes.



  • Thanks!!

    Ordered :)



  • I am just doing some more research (even though i placed an order, i can still cancel it / return it).

    What about: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7RD3ZG0397&cm_re=cisco_managed--33-150-120--Product

    Cisco Small Business 200 Series SLM2016T-NA (SG200-18) Smart Gigabit Switch

    This thing is about $70 more here in Canada, but, it comes with 18 ports instead of 10 with SG300-10

    Thanks



  • After some re-search SG200 is Layer 2 only, where SG300 is Layer 2 and 3, is that correct?

    With pfSense acting as a router, all i need is Layer 2 actually, then?

    So, in that case, this switch SG200-18 would be a good choice as well?

    Thanks!


  • LAYER 8 Netgate

    SG200 does not have a CLI.



  • After some re-search SG200 is Layer 2 only, where SG300 is Layer 2 and 3, is that correct?

    That is definitely correct, the SG300 is a Layer3 and the SG200 is a Layer2 switch! And the Layer3 switch is
    better performing in some cases, has more features and options and can surely also set to only acting as a
    Layer2 switch if needed. But the Layer3 switch is capable to route between the VLANs itself and this mostly
    with wire speed and its freeing the entire pfSense box from that load.

    With pfSense acting as a router, all i need is Layer 2 actually, then?

    This could also really nice matching, but mostly it depends on the used CPU and how powerful
    that CPU or SoC will be!

    So, in that case, this switch SG200-18 would be a good choice as well?

    This is pending on the needs and use case mostly, but related to the price range from todays
    switches, the Cisco SG300 series and the D-Link DGS1510 series will be perform better then
    many other switches compared to the given options and features in their firmware.

    SG200 does not have a CLI.

    Yes that is right.

    If your pfSense box is really strong sorted or really powerful you could go with an SG200 for sure
    but if you need VLANs to be routet in wire speed and will free a perhaps smaller CPU from that load
    the SG300 as Layer3 switch could be a really nice device too.



  • Thank you both for responding.

    CLI is something that i really did not need, that is way 2 complicated for me :)

    I was planing on using only Layer 2 with my pfSense, (again) as my knowledge is not that advanced to cover both Layer 2 and Layer 3.

    Right now, i have Core2Duo handling my Gigabit (940mbit) (down) and 50mbit (up) connection just fine, with about 40-45% (CPU Usage while performing speedtests).

    I am planing on purchasing C2758 (with 8-16GB Ram soon) for pfSense.

    That is why i am shopping for best possible switch (for my needs) (VLAN (not more then 5 VLAN's) Link Aggregation, mostly) in the price range of $250-350CAD.

    Cisco SG 300-20 is $400CAD (+13% tax)
    Cisco SG 200-18 is $285CAD (+13% tax)

    so, i am thinking is it worth spending additional $115 for Layer 3, that i am not sure if i will be using :/

    and i paid SG300-10 $220CAD (+13% tax) (which will be canceled in the morning, actually) as now, i have to decide between SG300-20 and SG-200-18.

    Again, thank you all!



  • Reflect on your actual needs.
    If you don't need the L3 routing on the switch now, chances are slim you would in the next couple of years, and your pfSense can do all the routing(L3) for the vlans(L2) anyway so you will be fine with a L2 model. (Things get complicated fast if you are not comfortable with L3 concepts)

    my 2 cents…



  • I use d-link switch here.
    Dgs1510-28x for 10GBit connections between the nas units. Tested it with copy speed between the Nas units of 880MB/sec for 22 TB.

    For the connection to the  ISP a d-link dsg1210-16 that is used for splitting the vlans from ISP (internet, voice over ip, television over ip) where voice over ip still goes to isp box as this is needed.
    Both video over ip and internet go into pfsense unit.

    For my ip cameras i have d-link dsg1210-08p with poe support.

    There are trunks between the switches and also to the access points which can do more vlans.

    Only issue i found is on the 1510-28 where sometime the uplink to the dgs-1210-16 freezes.
    This happend also when connected to the isp box and an a dgs-1100-8 is used before.
    It happens while no active traffic and while heavy used, so not related to green ethernet options i assume.



  • Thank you for responding guys.

    Well, after more re-search, i ended up thinking that i might be interested in Layer 3 switch, actually.

    I created a new thread in " Routing and Multi WAN " section, as i did not want to ruin this excellent thread which provides a lots of useful information.

    Just cancelled order for SG300-10, so, in the end it will be either SG300-20 or SG200-18.



  • It's only a switch. And you're not looking into the $1k or $10k range.

    Do not use the SG200 if you want to use VLANs since they are set up way easier from the CLI (which the SG200 doesn't have). CLI isn't complicated, just get used to it. The beauty comes with ease of use.

    Your decision to go with a 20-port switch is great if you already plan on using all 10 ports of the smaller version. There's always one port missing.



  • Thanks for responding.

    More and more i am getting interested in Layer 3 / CLI, after talking to you guys.
    This is why 99% it will be SG300-20.

    However, i just need some clarifications in my thread: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=113243.0

    So, i can make the final decision :)

    Once again, thank you ALL for input/help, very much appreciated.



  • @NEK4TE:

    … 99% ...
    ... need some clarifications ...
    ... make the final decision...

    You are overcomplicating things.
    It's only a switch for a home network, not for a nuclear plant.

    If it doesn't fit in 2 years or so then sell it (on eBay or such) and get a different one.
    For now just trust what you read here numerous times: buy an SG300-20.
    Start reading the CLI guide. That's time spent way better!



  • @NEK4TE:

    Thanks for responding.

    More and more i am getting interested in Layer 3 / CLI, after talking to you guys.
    This is why 99% it will be SG300-20.

    However, i just need some clarifications in my thread: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=113243.0

    So, i can make the final decision :)

    Once again, thank you ALL for input/help, very much appreciated.

    I'm curious:

    Why for a home application go with a Layer3 switch?    Really what that buys you is the ability to do some routing stuff, but if you are using pfSense for routing, I'm not quite sure what you are hoping to do with a layer3 switch.

    I'd get a good managed layer2 switch, and use your pfSense box for anything that needs routing.  Again, I can't recommend the HP ProCurve 1810G-24 highly enough.  It's been bulletproof for me for years now.


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