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    PfSense to pfsense over fiber routing

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Routing and Multi WAN
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    • J
      jswope
      last edited by

      Currently both sites are connected via IPSEC Tunnels. Everything is working but now we have a 1GBPS FIBER link from Charter Communications.

      What is the best way to get the fiber links setup to route? Another Network card or just adding a vlan to the lan interface  such as 225 and assign a address to the interfaces.

      SITE A

      PFSENSE (2 NICS 1 WAN 1 LAN)

      WAN CHARTER ISP

      VLAN 1  192.168.0.0/24  (LAN)
      VLAN 10  10.10.10.253/24 (DATA)
      VLAN 20  10.10.20.253/24 (VOICE)
      VLAN 30  10.10.30.253/24 (WIRELESS)
      VLAN 40  10.10.40.253/24 (PRINTERS)
      VLAN 50  10.10.50.253/24 (GUEST WIRELESS)

      SITE B

      PFSENSE (2 NICS 1 WAN 1 LAN)

      WAN CHARTER ISP

      VLAN 1  10.33.217.253/24  (LAN)
      VLAN 10  10.50.10.253/24 (DATA)
      VLAN 20  10.50.20.253/24 (VOICE)
      VLAN 30  10.50.30.253/24 (WIRELESS)
      VLAN 40  10.50.40.253/24 (PRINTERS)
      VLAN 50  10.50.50.253/24 (GUEST WIRELESS)

      SITE A PFSENSE–----------------------------------CHARTER 1 GBPS FIBER LINK----------------------------------------- SITE B PFSENSE

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      • jahonixJ
        jahonix
        last edited by

        Is that a dark fiber between both sides directly?

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        • J
          jswope
          last edited by

          There is a deticated port for the site to site.

          The fiber is though charter they just vlan us off

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          • jahonixJ
            jahonix
            last edited by

            @jswope:

            What is the best way to get the fiber links setup to route? Another Network card or just adding a vlan to the lan interface

            A VLAN should do it technically, a dedicated NIC has the benefit of not sharing the bandwidth with other VLAN traffic.
            Create a transit network on both sides and add routes accordingly.

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              Sort of depends on what sort of traffic you're going to be pushing. If more than about 100Mbits sustained I'd probably give it its own interface. If not, VLAN it with other traffic on the LAN interface if you can't afford to spend a dedicated gig-e port on it.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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              • J
                jswope
                last edited by

                I tried setting up IPSec using it own interface and no luck.

                Should I put each nic on different  subnet at both sites.

                Example

                Site A
                10.1.1.1/24

                site b

                10.2.2.2/24

                Should I make the on the same subnet

                Site A 10.1.1.1/24

                Site B 10.1.1.2/24

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                • chpalmerC
                  chpalmer
                  last edited by

                  Dark Fiber?  (point to point dedicated link)

                  Different Interfaces.

                  Different Subnet.

                  Routed Package.

                  Or am I reading wrong and miss something?

                  Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                  • K
                    kapara
                    last edited by

                    Do you have layer 3 switches at the remote locations?  May not even need pfSense at remote locations….

                    If as shown you are using dark fiber then.....

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      Sounds like a blank metro-e. Had a couple at the old gig. They would even pass dot1q tags end-to-end.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                      • J
                        jswope
                        last edited by

                        Dark Fiber?  (point to point dedicated link)  Yes n no. The fiber is connecting 4 buildings total. not 100% out connection they just vlan us off there netowork with 1GB links

                        Different Interfaces. yes

                        Different Subnet. yes and vlans

                        Routed Package.

                        Or am I reading wrong and miss something?

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                        • J
                          jswope
                          last edited by

                          Do you have layer 3 switches at the remote locations?  May not even need pfSense at remote locations…. Yes we do

                          There are 4 sites total site 1 is the main site and site 2 and 3 are remote sites. The switches are trunked to those sites to pass vlans 1,10,20,30,40,50.  Site 1 and Site 4 both have pfsense boxes. I just need to connect Site 1 and Site 4 via the fiber. I tried setting  up both sites with a vlan of  225 on the trunk ports of the switch and on pfsense  but i could not get it to pass traffic.

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                          • chpalmerC
                            chpalmer
                            last edited by

                            @jswope:

                            Dark Fiber?  (point to point dedicated link)  Yes n no. The fiber is connecting 4 buildings total. not 100% out connection they just vlan us off there netowork with 1GB links

                            Sounds like a blank metro-e

                            Agree'd

                            So VLAN-  Remember that the total bandwidth of all your VLANs is additive.  You will only pass a gig of traffic on an interface that is designed to pass a gig. Not a gig per VLAN.  I only mention that because I ran into a guy that probably still doesn't believe me last month. (Lazy ass still probably hasn't done the tests I told him to.)

                            I should have worded my post a little differently…
                            Dark Fiber?  (point to point dedicated link)

                            Then use Different Interfaces on each side.

                            Use a Different Subnet.  (Or more correctly a subnet that is different from your others but the same on each box on that link.)

                            Install the Routed Package.

                            Interface with a VLAN tag on each box. Each on the same subnet    172.16.1.0/30 as an example    (Box 1  172.16.1.1)    (box 2  172.16.1.2) 
                            Install the routed package.  Set it up.  Firewall rules on each box that allows all the other subnets access to the subnets on the particular box.

                            2&3 access the internet through the main site?  Remember also that that requires double the bandwidth.  Site two will only see a portion of the download speed of site ones upload. May not matter but I always mention it.

                            My 2 penny's anyways...  :)

                            Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                            Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                            • J
                              jswope
                              last edited by

                              So I just replaced the IPSec connection I had for IPSec over the Internet with IP on site 1 10.1.1.1/34 and site 2 10.1.1.2/24 then selected the dedicated interface for it and all tunnels came up. This is in my test environment. Now I will try to do what you said by using a vlan.

                              Both pfsense boxes have 2 NICS WAN and LAN. LAN has 4 Vlans 10,20,30,40,50. Do you think I should use its own dedicated interface for this site to site link.

                              I agree with 100% on the gig link that it is for the whole site to site link. Not per vlan. That's only common sense lol.

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