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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @kiokoman
      last edited by johnpoz

      What are you using to graph that like that? I would be up for getting a pi4 and the same hat to test.. Always up for fun projects ;)

      Trying to find an excuse to get a 4 ;) hehehe

      You seem to be pretty for out on the same hat I have, your ublox

           remote                                   refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
      =======================================================================================================
      *SHM(1)                                  .PPS.            0 l    2   16  377   0.0000  -0.3426   0.0026
      

      Is the hat you got.. You had to solder?
      https://www.adafruit.com/product/2324

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      • kiokomanK
        kiokoman LAYER 8 @johnpoz
        last edited by kiokoman

        @johnpoz
        that is telegraf sending to grafana
        grafana sitting on another raspberry ..
        https://www.adafruit.com/product/2324
        https://www.waveshare.com/max-m8q-gnss-hat.htm

        adafruit need soldering this but it's easy
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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @kiokoman
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          Are those values actually in milliseconds or is it microseconds and just mislabeled?

          Steve

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          • kiokomanK
            kiokoman LAYER 8 @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10
            the values from ntpq afaik is milliseconds ?

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @kiokoman
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              Yes, it reads in milliseconds but that can get confusing when is shows a value like 0.001 (1μs).

              Values in microseconds are what you should expect if PPS is working.

              Less than 1μs is impressive. I generally see between 1-2μs here.

              Steve

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                q54e3w @kiokoman
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                @kiokoman said in Building a Stratum 1 NTP Server Using Raspberry Pi:

                and it drift up and down very mutch during the day compare to the adafruit

                Is your device thermally stable, without some kind of TCXO its likely drift. I see fluctuations around 11am to 4pm as the sun hits the room where my timing hardware is located. Temperature corrected devices are unaffected.

                Also, different drivers are very likely to introduce different levels of performance so try and ensure you are using same drivers (type 22 PPS vs SHM type 28 etc).

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                • kiokomanK
                  kiokoman LAYER 8 @q54e3w
                  last edited by kiokoman

                  yeah, i'm using only type 20 and type 22
                  but i think i was finally able to find a configuration that suits it

                  http://www.philrandal.co.uk/blog/archives/04-01-2019_04-30-2019.html
                  with some minor adjustment

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                  • kiokomanK
                    kiokoman LAYER 8 @tman222
                    last edited by kiokoman

                    @tman222

                    I'll answer your question about nohz
                    it does not work on raspberry pi 4 + raspbian
                    the kernel isn't configured to allows the nohz parameter to work
                    also, I found that you can only use
                    flag 3 0 (use the ntpd clock discipline)
                    and not
                    flag 3 1 (use the kernel discipline)
                    for PPS
                    if you try to use flag 3 1 you see in the syslog this:

                    refclock_params: time_pps_kcbind: Operation not supported
                    

                    this is because the kernel is compiled without CONFIG_NTP_PPS

                    Immagine.jpg

                    obviusly
                    as a good nerd I recompiled ... 😑

                    this is ublox now

                    server 127.127.20.0 mode 89 iburst prefer minpoll 2 maxpoll 4
                    fudge 127.127.20.0 flag1 1 flag3 1 time1 0.0 time2 0.025 refid GPS
                    
                    pi@raspberrypi3:~/linux $ uname -a
                    Linux raspberrypi3 4.19.118-v7lntp+ #1 SMP Fri Dec 11 14:42:08 CET 2020 armv7l GNU/Linux
                    
                    pi@raspberrypi3:~/linux $ ntpq -crv -pn
                    status=041d leap_none, sync_uhf_radio, 1 event, kern,
                    version="ntpd ntpsec-1.1.3 2019-11-18T06:04:00Z", processor="armv7l", system=" Linux/4.19.118-v7lntp+", leap=00, stratum=1, precision=-20, rootdelay=0.0, rootdisp=2.18, refid=GPS, reftime=e37e600c.8bd6769d 2020-12-11T21:15:56.546Z,
                    clock=e37e6018.d0a57250 2020-12-11T21:16:08.815Z, peer=11020, tc=4, mintc=0, offset=7.8e-05, frequency=-18.907623, sys_jitter=0.000277, clk_jitter=0.000728, clk_wander=0.001816, tai=37, leapsec="2017-01-01T00:00Z",
                    expire="2021-06-28T00:00Z"
                         remote                                   refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
                    =======================================================================================================
                    oNMEA(0)                                 .GPS.            0 l   12   16  377   0.0000   0.0001   0.0003
                    

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                        tman222
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                        Hi all -

                        Wanted to follow up on this thread as I recently acquired a Stratum 1 NTP server for my network (LeoNTP - very cool little device). Currently, I have it setup as the only NTP time server on pfSense (i.e. no other servers are configured). Is this an acceptable setup, or should I be adding a few additional public Stratum 1 servers as a sanity check, and set the LeoNTP device as the preferred server? I realize with just one server I don't have any redundancy, but is that the only main drawback? Thanks in advance!

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                        • kiokomanK
                          kiokoman LAYER 8 @tman222
                          last edited by kiokoman

                          @tman222
                          if I remember correctly you need at least 3 good ntp server on the list to see if the leontp is working correctly
                          without any reference you don't know if the time is correct

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                            q54e3w @tman222
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                            @tman222 I run a few Pi based GPS devices that don't offer the same accuracy, and a few external sources for backup. The LeoNTP takes precedence as primary source of time due to its accuracy.

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                              tman222
                              last edited by

                              Thanks @kiokoman and @q54e3w, I really appreciate the help and advice. Do either of you use the "prefer" keyword on your local NTP server(s), or do you leave the server choice solely to the selection algorithm? Thanks again.

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                              • kiokomanK
                                kiokoman LAYER 8 @tman222
                                last edited by

                                @tman222
                                this is my config for the ublox

                                server 127.127.20.0 mode 89 iburst prefer minpoll 2 maxpoll 4
                                fudge 127.127.20.0 flag1 1 flag3 1 time1 0.0 time2 0.025 refid GPS
                                
                                tos mindist 0.060
                                
                                server 192.168.10.200
                                server 151.3.106.211
                                server ntp1.inrim.it
                                server ntp2.inrim.it
                                pool 0.it.pool.ntp.org
                                pool 1.it.pool.ntp.org
                                

                                this is the results

                                remote                          refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
                                ========================================================================================
                                oNMEA(0)                        .GPS.            0 l   11   16  377   0.0000   0.0002   0.0003
                                +192.168.10.200                 .GPS.            1 u   42   64  377   0.0996  -0.0002   0.0149
                                +151.3.106.211                  .GPS.            1 u   40   64  377  24.2144   0.1478   0.9674
                                -193.204.114.232                .CTD.            1 u   59   64  377  25.2698  -4.7052   0.3729
                                +193.204.114.233                .CTD.            1 u   49   64  377  12.5229   0.0942   0.3967
                                 0.it.pool.ntp.org              .POOL.          16 p    -  256    0   0.0000   0.0000   0.0010
                                 1.it.pool.ntp.org              .POOL.          16 p    -  256    0   0.0000   0.0000   0.0010
                                -37.247.53.178                  193.204.114.233  2 u   57   64  377  11.9465   1.0424   0.6543
                                -162.159.200.123                10.20.14.167     3 u   37   64  377  25.2151   0.8878   0.4707
                                +212.45.144.206                 193.204.114.232  2 u    9   64  377  10.5258   0.5104   0.3046
                                

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