Netgate Discussion Forum
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Search
    • Register
    • Login

    Netgate 2100 and any any rules questions

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Official Netgate® Hardware
    49 Posts 4 Posters 8.1k Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @JonathanLee
      last edited by

      @jonathanlee said in Netgate 2100 and any any rules questions:

      The Lan

      The information overload is too much..

      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
      Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
      SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

      stephenw10S 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @johnpoz
        last edited by

        @johnpoz said in Netgate 2100 and any any rules questions:

        The information overload is too much..

        😁

        JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • JonathanLeeJ
          JonathanLee @stephenw10
          last edited by JonathanLee

          @stephenw10

          Got it VLANS won't work with my Wifi as it does not have the ability to make 2 SSIDs with different IP addresses. I found a workaround I create a new subnet within a different range manually and assign the IPs in a different ranges and create new alias for both the new Xbox IP addresses and LAN subnet outside of the DHCP range and let that be a inverted match. For rules Class B with 192.168.1.1/16 and the wifi on 192.168.1.2 with the Pfsense at 192.168.1.1, and the DHCP pool only issues for 192.168.1.1/24 from 192.168.1.1-.50 and static set the 192.168.20.10, .11 for both the Xboxes. So they are in a different subnet of 192.168.1.20/24 Now you can break up the firewall rules within the IP ranges. And I can statically assign IP addresses outside of the POOL on the DHCP interface because it sees the Class B network mask and allows the outsiders.

          After set the rules for groups of IP addresses and make your new rules. My fear is the https with any now. However the Xbox ports can not access my lan.

          Screen Shot 2021-11-19 at 11.14.54 AM.png

          Make sure to upvote

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            If you don't have other devices on WIFI or don't need wifi to be part of the LAN layer 2 segment (for device discovery) you can still separate it onto a different interface.

            JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • JonathanLeeJ
              JonathanLee @stephenw10
              last edited by

              @stephenw10

              Thanks for the information!!

              Make sure to upvote

              JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • JonathanLeeJ
                JonathanLee @JonathanLee
                last edited by

                @jonathanlee

                Screen Shot 2021-12-03 at 8.18.05 AM.png

                Updated Rules With Negated Subnets with Logs on blocks

                Screen Shot 2021-12-03 at 8.18.25 AM.png

                Aliases for Xboxs 192.168.20.1/24 network

                Screen Shot 2021-12-03 at 8.18.45 AM.png

                Lan subnet 192.168.1.1/24

                Screen Shot 2021-12-03 at 8.19.01 AM.png

                Mail Aliases with DNS use

                Screen Shot 2021-12-03 at 8.19.20 AM.png

                Mail Aliases with DNS use updates automagically

                Make sure to upvote

                johnpozJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @JonathanLee
                  last edited by

                  @jonathanlee huh?

                  huh.jpg

                  If your xbox group has IPs that part of the lan.. A lan device talking to them wouldn't talk to pfsense to talk to the xbox IP.. So those rules are meaningless in preventing lan net from talking to a group of IPs on the lan.

                  If xbox is a different vlan, then these rules make no sense on the lan

                  lan.jpg

                  Because those IPs would never be source of traffic into the lan interface..

                  An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                  If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                  Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                  SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

                  JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Mmm, indeed the xbox group is not separated from the LAN subnet.

                    JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • JonathanLeeJ
                      JonathanLee @johnpoz
                      last edited by

                      @johnpoz Yes they are on a different network same subnet 255.255.255.0. However 192.168.20.0/24 for the game systems the LAN side is on 192.168.1.0/24 for desktops. They do work and it shows traffic for both rules. They can not talk with the lan devices also as it is a different network. The DHCP only issues Ip addresses in 192.168.1.1/24 network with a pool of 192.168.1.1-192.168.1.4 so all the devices are auto assigned in 192.168.1.1 network. The XBOX systems are static and set as 192.168.20.10 within 192.168.20.0 network 192.168.20.1/24 and 192.168.1.1 are different networks cider of /24 will not pass traffic from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.20.1 so I can make custom rules. This block of IP address is works it has access and is assigned to the game systems. Different networks 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.20.1 same subnet 255.255.255.0 the 3rd octet is all ones on both networks.

                      Make sure to upvote

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • JonathanLeeJ
                        JonathanLee @stephenw10
                        last edited by

                        @stephenw10

                        They can get out 443 but "not talk to each other." Yes both can access port 443. My goal was "no tunnels with that port" from one to another so negated reverse rules.
                        You can see traffic when they run but nothing when they are off.
                        Capture.JPG

                        Make sure to upvote

                        johnpozJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @JonathanLee
                          last edited by johnpoz

                          @jonathanlee your running multiple layer 3 on the same layer 2..

                          You do you dude - I don't help people bork up stuff.. That is just borked.

                          Where in NIST does it say you should do that ;) Your not actually isolating anything..

                          Its like telling your kids to stop talking to each other in the same room ;) If they want to talk to each other they can.. Only thing stopping them is you told them not too..

                          An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                          If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                          Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                          SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

                          JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • JonathanLeeJ
                            JonathanLee @johnpoz
                            last edited by

                            @johnpoz
                            cc0e6f8e-1fe3-45c1-837d-20a7943aab75-image.png

                            Thanks I fixed it I forgot the source side of things I made a new group with just Lan hosts and inverted the match.

                            Make sure to upvote

                            JonathanLeeJ 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • JonathanLeeJ
                              JonathanLee @JonathanLee
                              last edited by

                              @jonathanlee

                              I see subnetting like creating cubicles. As long as you have them your good, however yes if I just had LAN everything that is bad. Thanks for pointing that out. No Any Any rules.

                              Make sure to upvote

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • First post
                                Last post
                              Copyright 2025 Rubicon Communications LLC (Netgate). All rights reserved.