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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cabledude
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      @cabledude said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

      i would expect the 500/40 to deliver 66-70 mbps (the sender is the iperf3 client having 200 mbps and the receiver is the iperf3 server at 500 mbps!)

      Did you calculate the BDP? What is the latency between the sender and the receiver?

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        Worth noting here that by default in iperf the client end serves traffic to the server (for...reasons!).

        So depending how you ran this you might just be hitting the 40Mbps upload limit on your connection.

        Steve

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          Cabledude @stephenw10
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          @stephenw10 said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

          So depending how you ran this you might just be hitting the 40Mbps upload limit on your connection.

          Hi Stephen,
          Thanks for pointing that out and yes I totally see that. This is the essence of this topic.
          In this test:

          • the client is at the fiber node serving the traffic at 200mbps upload speed
          • the server is at the cable node receiving the traffic at 500mbps download speed.
            Therefore my expectation was to max out the SG-1100's 66-70 VPN capacity.

          Pete

          Pete
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            Cabledude @johnpoz
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            @johnpoz
            Absolutely not. Here is the ping output from the client:

            PING 192.168.60.104 (192.168.60.104): 56 data bytes
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=0 ttl=63 time=23.135 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=18.199 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=19.572 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=18.876 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=21.045 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=30.158 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=79.055 ms
            64 bytes from 192.168.60.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=63 time=121.190 ms
            ^C
            --- 192.168.60.104 ping statistics ---
            8 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
            round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 18.199/41.404/121.190/35.673 ms
            

            Is this latency to be considered higher than average?

            Pete

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              What latency do you see outside the tunnel?

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                Cabledude
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                @stephenw10 good question. This my home connection (the pfSense SG-1100):
                Schermafbeelding 2021-12-18 om 23.21.21.jpg
                Does this give you any clue?

                The other node is the fibre 200/200 connection of my friend. He has a UniFi USG. I will ask him about his normal WAN latency.

                Pete

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  Not really, you'd have to ping between the public IPs directly outside the VPN.

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                    Cabledude @stephenw10
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                    @stephenw10
                    This is the iperf3 output, default options + -t 40

                    Connecting to host 192.168.60.104, port 5201
                    [  4] local 172.16.120.2 port 51753 connected to 192.168.60.104 port 5201
                    [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                    [  4]   0.00-1.00   sec   872 KBytes  7.14 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   1.00-2.00   sec  1.56 MBytes  13.1 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   2.00-3.00   sec  3.10 MBytes  26.0 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   3.00-4.00   sec  4.11 MBytes  34.5 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   4.00-5.00   sec  5.04 MBytes  42.3 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   5.00-6.00   sec  3.98 MBytes  33.4 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   6.00-7.00   sec  4.76 MBytes  39.9 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   7.00-8.00   sec  3.58 MBytes  30.0 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   8.00-9.00   sec  4.25 MBytes  35.7 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]   9.00-10.00  sec  4.71 MBytes  39.5 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  10.00-11.00  sec  4.27 MBytes  35.8 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  11.00-12.00  sec  4.93 MBytes  41.4 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  12.00-13.00  sec  4.39 MBytes  36.8 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  13.00-14.00  sec  3.74 MBytes  31.4 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  14.00-15.00  sec  4.72 MBytes  39.6 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  15.00-16.00  sec  3.94 MBytes  33.1 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  16.00-17.00  sec  4.21 MBytes  35.3 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  17.00-18.00  sec  4.08 MBytes  34.3 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  18.00-19.00  sec  4.05 MBytes  34.0 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  19.00-20.00  sec  3.68 MBytes  30.9 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  20.00-21.00  sec  3.30 MBytes  27.7 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  21.00-22.00  sec  4.85 MBytes  40.6 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  22.00-23.00  sec  3.86 MBytes  32.4 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  23.00-24.00  sec  4.45 MBytes  37.3 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  24.00-25.00  sec  4.20 MBytes  35.2 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  25.00-26.00  sec  3.68 MBytes  30.9 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  26.00-27.00  sec  4.56 MBytes  38.3 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  27.00-28.00  sec  4.17 MBytes  35.0 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  28.00-29.00  sec  3.78 MBytes  31.7 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  29.00-30.00  sec  4.62 MBytes  38.7 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  30.00-31.00  sec  2.51 MBytes  21.0 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  31.00-32.00  sec  4.07 MBytes  34.1 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  32.00-33.00  sec  3.76 MBytes  31.5 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  33.00-34.00  sec  4.40 MBytes  36.9 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  34.00-35.00  sec  4.52 MBytes  38.0 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  35.00-36.00  sec  4.11 MBytes  34.4 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  36.00-37.00  sec  4.25 MBytes  35.7 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  37.00-38.00  sec  4.39 MBytes  36.9 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  38.00-39.00  sec  4.79 MBytes  40.2 Mbits/sec                  
                    [  4]  39.00-40.00  sec  3.62 MBytes  30.4 Mbits/sec                  
                    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                    [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                    [  4]   0.00-40.00  sec   160 MBytes  33.5 Mbits/sec                  sender
                    [  4]   0.00-40.00  sec   160 MBytes  33.5 Mbits/sec                  receiver
                    
                    iperf Done.
                    

                    Pete
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                      Cabledude @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 My friend and I have no direct ports open / nodes to ping so I'm not sure how I could ping between the public IP's.

                      Pete
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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        Add a specific rule to allow only that ping from the remote public IP.

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                          Patch
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                          @cabledude said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

                          Actually I did test all individual components

                          What about the hardware at the other end? Running a vpn tunnel is reasonalbly processor intensive.

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                            Cabledude @stephenw10
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                            @stephenw10 said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

                            Add a specific rule to allow only that ping from the remote public IP.

                            Something of this sort?
                            Schermafbeelding 2021-12-19 om 00.51.00.jpg

                            Pete
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                              Cabledude @Patch
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                              @patch said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

                              What about the hardware at the other end? Running a vpn tunnel is reasonalbly processor intensive.

                              this is my end (speedtest is over WiFi but FTR VPN test was wired):
                              Schermafbeelding 2021-12-18 om 23.47.59.jpg

                              My friend's firewall is a USG 3P but the VPN wasn't S2S but remote access so I think his firewall isn't doing any encryption is it?
                              This is his line:
                              Schermafbeelding 2021-12-18 om 23.48.59.jpg

                              Pete
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                              Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                              Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Cabledude
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                                @cabledude said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

                                Something of this sort?

                                I would set the protocol to ICMP and the destination to WAN address. But since that's a single source IP and one you trust the risk is minimal.

                                Steve

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                                  Just taking his 18ms I see there as lowest one..

                                  With only a 64k window your looking at 29.13 Mbit/sec due to the BDP..

                                  Also lets not forget the overhead, are you trying to send 1500, those will get fragmented, again also lowering the performance. What is the box on his end doing the vpn connection? His router, what router is that - if some soho type of router, while it might be able to do a 200mbps connection, what can it push through a openvpn connection?

                                  You prob want to adjust your txqueuelen and your tcp-queue-limit as well if your trying to see what is the max you could achieve for performance.

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                                    Cabledude @johnpoz
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                                    @johnpoz said in iperf3 testing 500/40 connection: 33mpbs:

                                    Just taking his 18ms I see there as lowest one..

                                    With only a 64k window your looking at 29.13 Mbit/sec due to the BDP..

                                    That sounds about right! Could you share your calculation, I am very interested in that.

                                    His router is a UniFi USG 3P. Not the fastest box but he can do about 80 mbps with his VPNs.

                                    Pete
                                    Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                                    Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                                    Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cabledude
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                                      @cabledude

                                      https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/ip/transmission-control-protocol-tcp/200943-Why-Your-Application-only-Uses-10Mbps-Ev.html#anc3

                                      There are few calculators around.. Here is one I use
                                      https://www.switch.ch/network/tools/tcp_throughput/

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                                        Cabledude @johnpoz
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                                        @johnpoz Hi John, thank you, good read.
                                        I was just thinking what protocol am I using for the pfSense OpenVPN setup and it is UDP. Is this relevant for the BDP? If i read the article correctly it assumes TCP.
                                        9253518f-5e9c-4789-90df-8617f991cbe8-image.jpeg

                                        Thank you for helping out! I am learning every day :)

                                        Pete

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                                        Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                                        Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Cabledude
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                                          @cabledude what your tunnel is doesn't really matter. Your testing with TCP from your iperf outputs.

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                                            Cabledude @johnpoz
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                                            @johnpoz Ah okay I see, thank you.

                                            So apparently building a VPN tunnel for high speed backups isn't as easy as simply connecting two gigabit nodes.

                                            In order to troubleshoot further, would it be of any use to repeat the iperf3 test using UDP? Or using any other flags?

                                            My friend is not available for further testing today but I might get a chance next week. He is willing to ping to my network tonight (UTC +1) though.

                                            Pete

                                            Pete
                                            Home: SG-2100 + UniFi + Synology. SG-1100 retired
                                            Parents: SG-1100 + UniFi + Synology
                                            Testing: SG-1100 w/ 120GB SSD via ext USB (eMMC dead). Works great

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