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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @bingo600
      last edited by johnpoz

      @bingo600 said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

      Thank you looks as the same layout as on 2.5.2

      really... I will need to update my 21.05.2 since the layout is like this

      [21.05.2-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: zfs list
      NAME                 USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
      zroot                957M  24.3G    96K  /zroot
      zroot/ROOT           921M  24.3G    96K  none
      zroot/ROOT/default   921M  24.3G   921M  /
      zroot/tmp            516K  24.3G   516K  /tmp
      zroot/var           28.5M  24.3G  28.5M  /var
      [21.05.2-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: 
      

      I had skipped the last update clean install, was waiting for 21.09 which didn't happen so I take it that is why.. Now that 22.01 has been released I will be doing clean install of that most likely today. I have ticket open already for install for my sg4860

      I do not believe just upgrade will change the zfs layout - maybe I am wrong?

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      • bingo600B
        bingo600 @johnpoz
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        @johnpoz

        See here , has both "your layout" 2.4.x in first post.
        And 2.5.2 in 2'nd

        https://forum.netgate.com/post/1025072

        I do not believe just upgrade will change the zfs layout - maybe I am wrong?

        I doubt they can change the layout on an update, since they're running from the "same disk".

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        • jimpJ
          jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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          The upgrade won't change the layout, it would require a reinstall.

          At this point the new layout is primarily for disk optimization (different ZFS capabilities enabled/disabled on different datasets) but in the future, who knows.

          No plans to deprecate the existing upgrade process as far as I'm aware, but if you have the time and the ability, it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @jimp
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            @jimp said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

            it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

            Yeah that is the plan, just waiting for the install image from support. This for sure has been longer than normal.. But with the release just coming, I take it they are pretty swamped.. I can wait ;)

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            • bingo600B
              bingo600 @jimp
              last edited by bingo600

              @jimp said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

              The upgrade won't change the layout, it would require a reinstall.

              At this point the new layout is primarily for disk optimization (different ZFS capabilities enabled/disabled on different datasets) but in the future, who knows.

              No plans to deprecate the existing upgrade process as far as I'm aware, but if you have the time and the ability, it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

              If i'm on 2.5.2 would an upgrade to 2.6.0 be possible (as in not reinstall) , as i already have the "new layout" ?

              I'm a bit confused about the above answer

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              • jimpJ
                jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                last edited by

                There were more changes to the layout in 2.6.0

                The layout on 2.6.0 looks like this:

                : zfs list
                NAME                   USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
                pfSense               4.14G  24.4G    96K  /pfSense
                pfSense/ROOT          1.01G  24.4G    96K  none
                pfSense/ROOT/default  1.01G  24.4G  1.01G  /
                pfSense/cf            6.63M  24.4G    96K  /cf
                pfSense/cf/conf       6.54M  24.4G  6.54M  /cf/conf
                pfSense/home           196K  24.4G   196K  /home
                pfSense/reservation     96K  27.3G    96K  /pfSense/reservation
                pfSense/tmp            500K  24.4G   500K  /tmp
                pfSense/var            260M  24.4G  3.45M  /var
                pfSense/var/cache      244M  24.4G   244M  /var/cache
                pfSense/var/db        6.64M  24.4G  6.64M  /var/db
                pfSense/var/empty       96K  24.4G    96K  /var/empty
                pfSense/var/log       5.16M  24.4G  5.16M  /var/log
                pfSense/var/tmp        148K  24.4G   148K  /var/tmp
                

                You might have some of those changes, but not all of them.

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                  mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                  @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                  @jimp said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                  it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

                  Yeah that is the plan, just waiting for the install image from support. This for sure has been longer than normal.. But with the release just coming, I take it they are pretty swamped.. I can wait ;)

                  I'm on the same boat :) Already opened the ticket and now just waiting... Today is going to be that day you know, install, configure, test and a lot of coffee hehe

                  dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                    occamsrazor @johnpoz
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                    @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                    @bingo600 said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                    Thank you looks as the same layout as on 2.5.2

                    really... I will need to update my 21.05.2 since the layout is like this

                    [21.05.2-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: zfs list
                    NAME                 USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
                    zroot                957M  24.3G    96K  /zroot
                    zroot/ROOT           921M  24.3G    96K  none
                    zroot/ROOT/default   921M  24.3G   921M  /
                    zroot/tmp            516K  24.3G   516K  /tmp
                    zroot/var           28.5M  24.3G  28.5M  /var
                    [21.05.2-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: 
                    

                    My 2.5.2 CE looks the same. So is it safe to upgrade to 2.6.0? Or is a fresh install really required? If I can save the hassle and not cause instability I'd prefer not to...

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                    Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                    Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
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                      @mcury This is has been the longest it has ever taken them to get back.. I can only assume they are swamped with bigger issues than asking for the install media ;)

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                        mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                        @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                        @mcury This is has been the longest it has ever taken them to get back.. I can only assume they are swamped with bigger issues than asking for the install media ;)

                        Indeed, its nice to see that Netgate is getting bigger.. If things were better for me, I would be getting a SG-6100.. Maybe later this year or next year, who knows? :)

                        dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                          last edited by johnpoz

                          @mcury Just got my link to download ;) With all that is to be expected on release day.. I am very happy and pleased with a 2.5 hour response to a "request" for something that is by any means at all urgent or any sort of issue.

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                            mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                            @johnpoz Hm nice, I also opened the ticket 2.5 hours ago, at 10:44am LT (GMT -3)
                            But I'm not in a rush, if I install it now the users here will attack me with their bare hands.. :)

                            dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
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                              @mcury yeah while don't have any users currently that would complain if internet went down for a few minutes.. Wife is out for the day ;)

                              I am in the middle of some escalations for real life work, and loosing internet would not be a good thing ;)

                              But hope to for sure get to this sometime this afternoon. If you get to it first, let us know how it went.. I will post when I have it completed ;)

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                                mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                                I'm on vacations , and I'll be traveling on Friday, one week on the beach.. :) So everything must be ready before I go.. I'll try to do it after 17:00, maybe after 22:00, not sure yet

                                @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                But hope to for sure get to this sometime this afternoon. If you get to it first, let us know how it went.. I will post when I have it completed ;)

                                I'll do it, everything is ready, even the certificates are store in a .txt file.. Wireguard keys and all..
                                Just waiting for the time window, I can't take the risk of being killed by the users :)

                                dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
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                                  @mcury said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                  I can't take the risk of being killed by the users :)

                                  I hear ya brother ;)

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                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                                    last edited by johnpoz

                                    @mcury well I pulled the trigger.. Some oddness with packages being reinstalled. Was told they didn't exist in plus.

                                    But guess there is a redmine about it already or was, should of looked before pulling the trigger I guess ;)

                                    https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/12766

                                    I do believe I got it all sorted out, those packages have been installed, and my previous configs for them were still there.

                                    And have the new zfs layout now.

                                    [22.01-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: zfs list
                                    NAME                   USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
                                    pfSense               3.60G  22.6G    96K  /pfSense
                                    pfSense/ROOT           915M  22.6G    96K  none
                                    pfSense/ROOT/default   915M  22.6G   915M  /
                                    pfSense/cf            12.4M  22.6G  12.4M  /cf
                                    pfSense/home           120K  22.6G   120K  /home
                                    pfSense/reservation     96K  25.2G    96K  /pfSense/reservation
                                    pfSense/tmp            448K  22.6G   448K  /tmp
                                    pfSense/var           76.0M  22.6G  4.42M  /var
                                    pfSense/var/cache     59.5M  22.6G  59.5M  /var/cache
                                    pfSense/var/db        11.5M  22.6G  11.5M  /var/db
                                    pfSense/var/log        480K  22.6G   480K  /var/log
                                    pfSense/var/tmp        104K  22.6G   104K  /var/tmp
                                    [22.01-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: 
                                    

                                    Total time without internet a few minutes.

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                                      mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                                      @johnpoz Soon its going to be my turn, just got the download link. :)
                                      I'll check now the hash to make sure everything is correct, burn the iso to the pendrive and just wait for the better time to proceed..
                                      I won't restore the config, will configure it from scratch.. This will be my opportunity to clean my aliases and rules, its currently a mess.. Aliases not in use, aliases that the IPs already changed and etc..

                                      dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                                        last edited by johnpoz

                                        @mcury said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                        This will be my opportunity to clean my aliases and rules

                                        Never a bad idea to take the down time as time to clean up..

                                        I wanted to test the recovery process of the config, which worked pretty freaking good if you ask me.. Other than some oddness with a couple of packages, which was no biggy and could of expected that if done my due diligence and looked over any recent redmines reported ;)

                                        If you take that out of the picture went as smooth as you would expect.. Literally a reboot and back up and running.

                                        edit: If I was going to nitpick - the longer than normal time to get a link to the media for install. In the past its been as fast as like 4 minutes or something. But hey make such a request a few minutes after the release announced - I am more than happy with the couple of hours it took.. I would expect they got bombed..

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                                        • bingo600B
                                          bingo600 @johnpoz
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                                          @johnpoz
                                          Are you the first to take a ZFS Snapshot on 2.6.0 , and test "Rollback" 😊

                                          https://forum.netgate.com/topic/165335/fun-with-zfs-snapshots-and-rollback?_=1644864380266

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                                          QOTOM-Q355G4 Quad Lan.
                                          CPUĀ  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                                          LANĀ  : 4 x Intel 211, DiskĀ  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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                                            mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
                                            last edited by mcury

                                            @johnpoz Pendrive is ready.. :)
                                            Now its going to be a painful wait..

                                            $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1M count=1
                                            1+0 registros de entrada
                                            1+0 registros de saĆ­da
                                            1048576 bytes (1,0 MB, 1,0 MiB) copiados, 0,026902 s, 39,0 MB/s
                                            $ sudo dd if=pfSense-plus-Netgate-3100-recovery-22.01-RELEASE-armv7.img of=/dev/sdc bs=4M
                                            332+1 registros de entrada
                                            332+1 registros de saĆ­da
                                            1392517632 bytes (1,4 GB, 1,3 GiB) copiados, 56,4994 s, 24,6 MB/s
                                            

                                            @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                            edit: If I was going to nitpick - the longer than normal time to get a link to the media for install. In the past its been as fast as like 4 minutes or something. But hey make such a request a few minutes after the release announced - I am more than happy with the couple of hours it took.. I would expect they got bombed..

                                            Yes, previous releases were maximum of 30 minutes to get a response.. But this is a good sign, it means that they are getting more Plus customers, which is always good.
                                            Also, around 4 hours for a response from the TAC is perfectly fine

                                            dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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