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    • bingo600B
      bingo600 @johnpoz
      last edited by bingo600

      @johnpoz

      See here , has both "your layout" 2.4.x in first post.
      And 2.5.2 in 2'nd

      https://forum.netgate.com/post/1025072

      I do not believe just upgrade will change the zfs layout - maybe I am wrong?

      I doubt they can change the layout on an update, since they're running from the "same disk".

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      • jimpJ
        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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        The upgrade won't change the layout, it would require a reinstall.

        At this point the new layout is primarily for disk optimization (different ZFS capabilities enabled/disabled on different datasets) but in the future, who knows.

        No plans to deprecate the existing upgrade process as far as I'm aware, but if you have the time and the ability, it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @jimp
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          @jimp said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

          it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

          Yeah that is the plan, just waiting for the install image from support. This for sure has been longer than normal.. But with the release just coming, I take it they are pretty swamped.. I can wait ;)

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          • bingo600B
            bingo600 @jimp
            last edited by bingo600

            @jimp said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

            The upgrade won't change the layout, it would require a reinstall.

            At this point the new layout is primarily for disk optimization (different ZFS capabilities enabled/disabled on different datasets) but in the future, who knows.

            No plans to deprecate the existing upgrade process as far as I'm aware, but if you have the time and the ability, it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

            If i'm on 2.5.2 would an upgrade to 2.6.0 be possible (as in not reinstall) , as i already have the "new layout" ?

            I'm a bit confused about the above answer

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            • jimpJ
              jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
              last edited by

              There were more changes to the layout in 2.6.0

              The layout on 2.6.0 looks like this:

              : zfs list
              NAME                   USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
              pfSense               4.14G  24.4G    96K  /pfSense
              pfSense/ROOT          1.01G  24.4G    96K  none
              pfSense/ROOT/default  1.01G  24.4G  1.01G  /
              pfSense/cf            6.63M  24.4G    96K  /cf
              pfSense/cf/conf       6.54M  24.4G  6.54M  /cf/conf
              pfSense/home           196K  24.4G   196K  /home
              pfSense/reservation     96K  27.3G    96K  /pfSense/reservation
              pfSense/tmp            500K  24.4G   500K  /tmp
              pfSense/var            260M  24.4G  3.45M  /var
              pfSense/var/cache      244M  24.4G   244M  /var/cache
              pfSense/var/db        6.64M  24.4G  6.64M  /var/db
              pfSense/var/empty       96K  24.4G    96K  /var/empty
              pfSense/var/log       5.16M  24.4G  5.16M  /var/log
              pfSense/var/tmp        148K  24.4G   148K  /var/tmp
              

              You might have some of those changes, but not all of them.

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                mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                @jimp said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                it's a good time to reinstall+restore.

                Yeah that is the plan, just waiting for the install image from support. This for sure has been longer than normal.. But with the release just coming, I take it they are pretty swamped.. I can wait ;)

                I'm on the same boat :) Already opened the ticket and now just waiting... Today is going to be that day you know, install, configure, test and a lot of coffee hehe

                dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                • occamsrazorO
                  occamsrazor @johnpoz
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                  @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                  @bingo600 said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                  Thank you looks as the same layout as on 2.5.2

                  really... I will need to update my 21.05.2 since the layout is like this

                  [21.05.2-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: zfs list
                  NAME                 USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
                  zroot                957M  24.3G    96K  /zroot
                  zroot/ROOT           921M  24.3G    96K  none
                  zroot/ROOT/default   921M  24.3G   921M  /
                  zroot/tmp            516K  24.3G   516K  /tmp
                  zroot/var           28.5M  24.3G  28.5M  /var
                  [21.05.2-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: 
                  

                  My 2.5.2 CE looks the same. So is it safe to upgrade to 2.6.0? Or is a fresh install really required? If I can save the hassle and not cause instability I'd prefer not to...

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
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                    @mcury This is has been the longest it has ever taken them to get back.. I can only assume they are swamped with bigger issues than asking for the install media ;)

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                      mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                      @mcury This is has been the longest it has ever taken them to get back.. I can only assume they are swamped with bigger issues than asking for the install media ;)

                      Indeed, its nice to see that Netgate is getting bigger.. If things were better for me, I would be getting a SG-6100.. Maybe later this year or next year, who knows? :)

                      dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                        last edited by johnpoz

                        @mcury Just got my link to download ;) With all that is to be expected on release day.. I am very happy and pleased with a 2.5 hour response to a "request" for something that is by any means at all urgent or any sort of issue.

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                          mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
                          last edited by

                          @johnpoz Hm nice, I also opened the ticket 2.5 hours ago, at 10:44am LT (GMT -3)
                          But I'm not in a rush, if I install it now the users here will attack me with their bare hands.. :)

                          dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                            last edited by

                            @mcury yeah while don't have any users currently that would complain if internet went down for a few minutes.. Wife is out for the day ;)

                            I am in the middle of some escalations for real life work, and loosing internet would not be a good thing ;)

                            But hope to for sure get to this sometime this afternoon. If you get to it first, let us know how it went.. I will post when I have it completed ;)

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                              mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                              I'm on vacations , and I'll be traveling on Friday, one week on the beach.. :) So everything must be ready before I go.. I'll try to do it after 17:00, maybe after 22:00, not sure yet

                              @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                              But hope to for sure get to this sometime this afternoon. If you get to it first, let us know how it went.. I will post when I have it completed ;)

                              I'll do it, everything is ready, even the certificates are store in a .txt file.. Wireguard keys and all..
                              Just waiting for the time window, I can't take the risk of being killed by the users :)

                              dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                                last edited by

                                @mcury said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                I can't take the risk of being killed by the users :)

                                I hear ya brother ;)

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                                  last edited by johnpoz

                                  @mcury well I pulled the trigger.. Some oddness with packages being reinstalled. Was told they didn't exist in plus.

                                  But guess there is a redmine about it already or was, should of looked before pulling the trigger I guess ;)

                                  https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/12766

                                  I do believe I got it all sorted out, those packages have been installed, and my previous configs for them were still there.

                                  And have the new zfs layout now.

                                  [22.01-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: zfs list
                                  NAME                   USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
                                  pfSense               3.60G  22.6G    96K  /pfSense
                                  pfSense/ROOT           915M  22.6G    96K  none
                                  pfSense/ROOT/default   915M  22.6G   915M  /
                                  pfSense/cf            12.4M  22.6G  12.4M  /cf
                                  pfSense/home           120K  22.6G   120K  /home
                                  pfSense/reservation     96K  25.2G    96K  /pfSense/reservation
                                  pfSense/tmp            448K  22.6G   448K  /tmp
                                  pfSense/var           76.0M  22.6G  4.42M  /var
                                  pfSense/var/cache     59.5M  22.6G  59.5M  /var/cache
                                  pfSense/var/db        11.5M  22.6G  11.5M  /var/db
                                  pfSense/var/log        480K  22.6G   480K  /var/log
                                  pfSense/var/tmp        104K  22.6G   104K  /var/tmp
                                  [22.01-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: 
                                  

                                  Total time without internet a few minutes.

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                                    mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
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                                    @johnpoz Soon its going to be my turn, just got the download link. :)
                                    I'll check now the hash to make sure everything is correct, burn the iso to the pendrive and just wait for the better time to proceed..
                                    I won't restore the config, will configure it from scratch.. This will be my opportunity to clean my aliases and rules, its currently a mess.. Aliases not in use, aliases that the IPs already changed and etc..

                                    dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mcury
                                      last edited by johnpoz

                                      @mcury said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                      This will be my opportunity to clean my aliases and rules

                                      Never a bad idea to take the down time as time to clean up..

                                      I wanted to test the recovery process of the config, which worked pretty freaking good if you ask me.. Other than some oddness with a couple of packages, which was no biggy and could of expected that if done my due diligence and looked over any recent redmines reported ;)

                                      If you take that out of the picture went as smooth as you would expect.. Literally a reboot and back up and running.

                                      edit: If I was going to nitpick - the longer than normal time to get a link to the media for install. In the past its been as fast as like 4 minutes or something. But hey make such a request a few minutes after the release announced - I am more than happy with the couple of hours it took.. I would expect they got bombed..

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                                      • bingo600B
                                        bingo600 @johnpoz
                                        last edited by

                                        @johnpoz
                                        Are you the first to take a ZFS Snapshot on 2.6.0 , and test "Rollback" 😊

                                        https://forum.netgate.com/topic/165335/fun-with-zfs-snapshots-and-rollback?_=1644864380266

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                                        CPUĀ  : Core i5 5250U, Ram : 8GB Kingston DDR3LV 1600
                                        LANĀ  : 4 x Intel 211, DiskĀ  : 240G SAMSUNG MZ7L3240HCHQ SSD

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                                          mcury Rebel Alliance @johnpoz
                                          last edited by mcury

                                          @johnpoz Pendrive is ready.. :)
                                          Now its going to be a painful wait..

                                          $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1M count=1
                                          1+0 registros de entrada
                                          1+0 registros de saĆ­da
                                          1048576 bytes (1,0 MB, 1,0 MiB) copiados, 0,026902 s, 39,0 MB/s
                                          $ sudo dd if=pfSense-plus-Netgate-3100-recovery-22.01-RELEASE-armv7.img of=/dev/sdc bs=4M
                                          332+1 registros de entrada
                                          332+1 registros de saĆ­da
                                          1392517632 bytes (1,4 GB, 1,3 GiB) copiados, 56,4994 s, 24,6 MB/s
                                          

                                          @johnpoz said in ZFS and the upcomming 2.6:

                                          edit: If I was going to nitpick - the longer than normal time to get a link to the media for install. In the past its been as fast as like 4 minutes or something. But hey make such a request a few minutes after the release announced - I am more than happy with the couple of hours it took.. I would expect they got bombed..

                                          Yes, previous releases were maximum of 30 minutes to get a response.. But this is a good sign, it means that they are getting more Plus customers, which is always good.
                                          Also, around 4 hours for a response from the TAC is perfectly fine

                                          dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                                          • occamsrazorO
                                            occamsrazor
                                            last edited by

                                            Upgraded from 2.5.2 to 2.6. Was already running ZFS with the "old" layout and did not do a fresh install to get the new layout. Everything working fine - I just mention in case anyone plans to do the same. I'd like to update ZFS at some point, but that will wait for another day.....

                                            pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                                            Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
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