pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN
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Hmm, well there must still be a way of configuring the switch IC. Look at the full
uci showoutput. What's in there that relates to the switch ports?But since you already created VLAN device and then when you added it as an interface it correctly pulled a dhcp lease from that VLAN implies however you have switch configured it must be passing the traffic.
However you created it on the existing bridge device which is not logical to me. Maybe it could work.I suggest you remove the VLAN device you created and instead create on eth0. Then create the bridge on that. Then the interface as the new bridge device.
Now when you are adding the VAP to the new interface you are adding it to a bridge and not to a VLAN. And underneath the OpenWRT config Linux still needs to bridge the traffic between those interfaces which is I think what was failing for you.Steve
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@stephenw10 said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
I suggest you remove the VLAN device you created and instead create on eth0. Then create the bridge on that. Then the interface as the new bridge device.
Now when you are adding the VAP to the new interface you are adding it to a bridge and not to a VLAN. And underneath the OpenWRT config Linux still needs to bridge the traffic between those interfaces which is I think what was failing for you.I know YOU know what you are talking about and trust you are right. I'm starting to feel like an idiot. I can't even get to the VAP point of this as I can't make what you have lined out work (again, starting with the interface as a DHCP client to verify connectivity with the pfSense supplied VLAN and DHCP server).
Am I reading/following your suggestion wrong?
Create the VLAN 10 device 802.1q with eth0 as the base device = eth0.10
Create a bridge for software VLAN eth0.10 and Switch port WAN = br.eth0.10
Create the Interface for my Guest function as a DHCP client and the device is br.eth0.10The Interface never gets an address. Lots of outbound packets, nothing inbound.
I'm sure I'm doing something wrong... just not sure what?
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Ok, having read this and this, specifically this: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/dsa/converting-to-dsa#wireless
I can absolutely see why you have it configured as you do and might expect it to work like that.
I also find myself beginning to hate the DSA with a fiery passion!
It seems like it hides half the ports presenting them to you as though they are interfaces and 'helpfully' adding all the VLANs and switch settings for you. Which I hate. But even more so when it doesn't do it correctly!
No idea how you know which eth ports the switch is using internally or how they are configured if you want change that....So, according to that doc, you should be able create the VLAN device on the bridge as you showed. And you should be able to add the wifi network to it directly. But you will have to enable bridge VLAN filtering in order to have the VAP added to the bridge with the correct tags by whatever dark magic powers DSA.
Or just pretend the switch doesn't exist since we know without VLAN filtering enabled it just passes all VLAN (port based vlan mode) and do what I outlined above which still works fine in 21.X.
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
Ok, having read this and this, specifically this: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/dsa/converting-to-dsa#wireless
I can absolutely see why you have it configured as you do and might expect it to work like that.
I also find myself beginning to hate the DSA with a fiery passion!
It seems like it hides half the ports presenting them to you as though they are interfaces and 'helpfully' adding all the VLANs and switch settings for you. Which I hate. But even more so when it doesn't do it correctly!
No idea how you know which eth ports the switch is using internally or how they are configured if you want change that....OK, I had to chuckle at "fiery passion"... but then the reality of "This is MY problem and I still haven't resolved it" set in.
The best clue I have as tho which eth port is in play comes from the Network/Devices.
It only shows "eth0". And, that does correlate with the information as you too found on the OpenWRT site regarding the WRT3200ACM.
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Mmm, it does look like it's only using eth0 and eth1 is simply ignored. That's fine for you in an access point config since you're never routing traffic between Ethernet interfaces. Any traffic there should just be switched. Though we just have to hope that's happening since we can't see how the switch is configured. And the gui makes it look like they're bridged which would be a very bad setup! </rant>
Anyway it looks like you can do this two ways:
Enable bridge VLAN filtering and add the correct VLAN tags so DSA knows how to configure the switch for 802.1Q mode when you add the VAP to it.
Or leave bridge VLAN filtering disabled and treat it like a dumb switch. In which case setup the VLAN device and additional bridge as I outlined.
One interesting thing here is the screenshot in the doc here.
Wireless interfaces will automatically be included in the bridge and belong in the correct VLAN.You can see that command they use shows exactly that. The VAP device, wlan1-1, is added to the bridge on a VLAN. I suspect that is what's not happening in your current setup. However I have no idea what command was used to check that. It's not anything default in OpenWRT. The closest I got to it was installing the bridge package and then running
brctl show. That doesn't show VLAN info me though. [Edit: I see it's a standard Linux command to show the vlans in a bridge, just not included in openwrt]Steve
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Oh here we go you can install the ip-bridge package and then:
root@AP300:~# bridge vlan show port vlan-id eth0 1 PVID Egress Untagged br-lan 1 PVID Egress Untagged br-guest 1 PVID Egress Untagged eth0.1001 1 PVID Egress Untagged wlan1 1 PVID Egress Untagged wlan0 1 PVID Egress Untagged wlan0-1 1 PVID Egress Untagged root@AP300:~# bridge link show 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br-lan state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 10: eth0.1001@eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br-guest state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 13: wlan1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br-lan state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 15: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br-lan state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 16: wlan0-1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br-guest state forwarding priority 32 cost 100So you can see the two bridges I have and the members in them. And since I do not have vlan filtering enabled on either they are all set as VLAN 1 and passing all traffic. Which includes vlan1001 tagged packets here.
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
Mmm, it does look like it's only using eth0 and eth1 is simply ignored. That's fine for you in an access point config since you're never routing traffic between Ethernet interfaces. Any traffic there should just be switched. Though we just have to hope that's happening since we can't see how the switch is configured. And the gui makes it look like they're bridged which would be a very bad setup! </rant>
Anyway it looks like you can do this two ways:
Enable bridge VLAN filtering and add the correct VLAN tags so DSA knows how to configure the switch for 802.1Q mode when you add the VAP to it.
Or leave bridge VLAN filtering disabled and treat it like a dumb switch. In which case setup the VLAN device and additional bridge as I outlined.
SteveIf I go back to the configuration I started with, the ONLY device that offers "Bridge VLAN Filtering" is the br-lan.
Once I enable this option, the only thing I see are the LAN ports and the WAN port which is now a lan port and being used for the back-haul. No eth0, eth1 or radios.
If I create the VLAN 10, what do you suggest the tagging be, I have no ingress option.Note: Although I have the VLAN seeming to work from pfSense through my managed switch, to my interface running DHCP client, I am no expert in tag/untag or PVID. Every time I have attempted to configure a VLAN 10, I get locked out on the save and have to wait the 90sec to revert to get back in. So what would be your best thoughts on what needs to be filitered?
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@ramosel said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
So what would be your best thoughts
If me - I would just get a unifi wifi 6 pro for $149 and call it a day.. I show those WRT3200ACM for $249 on amazon. I sure hope you didn't pay that much..
Click click and you can run whatever vlans you want on any ssid, like a 2 minute setup ;) How many hours you got playing with this currently ;)
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@ramosel said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
So what would be your best thoughts on what needs to be filitered?
To use DSA as expected you should have VLAN 1 untagged on all ports and also the PVID on all ports. Local should be checked so the router itself can use it
VLAN 10 should be tagged on the WAN port only.
Local can be set there too so you get an IP in the vlan 10 range but it doesn't have to be. You will probably want to change that later so guest wifi clients can't connect to OpenWRT (and OpenWRT cannot route between the subnets).Steve
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@johnpoz If I were smart... I'd have gone that way too.
All joking aside, I have always been partial to Linksys in the plastic box world. Been running them since the WRT54G v2. (and for 20 years on DD-WRT). I'm retired and one of the kids who used to work for me, who I picked to fill my position has a buddy who works for a company that buys equipment coming off lease. He saw pallets of these WRT3200ACMs at his buddy's warehouse and called me. I picked up half a dozen for (a little) less than your Amazon price. Other than this @$?#&(#/!! VLAN issue, they really are working well for their intended purpose.That said, if you'd still like to help, I have one built out to my current config I can still send your way. Either DM me or use my email (on my profile) to get me Mailing address and I'll pop it in the mail to you today when I venture down off the mountain to go to town.
Rick
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@stephenw10 said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
@ramosel said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
So what would be your best thoughts on what needs to be filitered?
To use DSA as expected you should have VLAN 1 untagged on all ports and also the PVID on all ports. Local should be checked so the router itself can use it
VLAN 10 should be tagged on the WAN port only.First of, Thank You and John for all your help. It really is appreciated and I know you guys are busy.
Well, we made two steps forward, one backward. That is the first VLAN filtering config that hasn't locked me out and caused a revert.
DSA did successfully create the br-lan.1 device
But now... the DHCP client on the GuestTest Interface is no longer getting an address.
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@ramosel While I do really appreciate the offer and would be happy to play with it to help you figure out if you didn't have much better help in such matters already helping you @stephenw10 - if you were going to ship one for someone to help you - he would be the guy for sure..
If you have a bunch of them to spare, and were not expecting it back I would say send to Steve for his collection of hardware - he seems to collect all kinds of stuff, he always seems to have something in his lab to fiddle with when helping users..
Back in the day I use to love to fiddle with getting the most out of soho stuff, I had a few of those original wrt54g - I believe first router I had was their BEFSR41..
But now getting older and more money to play with - I like my shit to just do what I tell it to, without having to "fiddle" with it ;)
But Steve would be a good choice for sending one out to - it will prob be able to help many more fellow pfsense users in the future that is for sure, when the next guy comes along trying to do something with their WRT3200ACM, or something very sim..
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@johnpoz said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
But Steve would be a good choice for sending one out to - it will prob be able to help many more fellow pfsense users in the future that is for sure, when the next guy comes along trying to do something with their WRT3200ACM, or something very sim..
Thanks for the response and I will certainly make that offer in that direction.
Steve, I do have a WRT3200ACM built up to my configuration. I'll certainly donate it to the cause to help get this fixed. If you can get an address to me, I'll get it on it's way.
I'm in the pfSense database somewhere. I have one of your SG-4860s that you have warranteed once. Send me an email, call me... what ever is easiest for you and I'll get this moving.
Rick Moseley
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I'm in the UK which makes shipping something like that... more of an issue!
I may be able to get one locally. I think there is only one hardware version?What I don't see in your screenshot there is a wireless device on the GUESTTEST interface.
Try editing the wireless network and moving it to LAN and then back to GUESTTEST. It's possible it never got added to the bridge as the correct VLAN because VLAN filtering wasn't enabled at that point.I would have expected the GUESTTEST interface to pull an IP itself though since it's enabled as local.
Otherwise try installing ip-bridge and running
bridge vlanas I showed above to see how it's currently configured.Steve
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@stephenw10 Cost is not an issue... one of my best friends runs Cosworth (from Texas). I can get it to you one way or another.
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Ah, OK.
Well let me see what I can do locally anyway since it would probably be quicker.It looks the Espressobin image is now DSA too and have multiple SG-1100s that will run on.
However the fastest thing will be if we can just see what's not happening on your setup.
Are you able to install the ip-bridge package and runbridge vlan?Can I assume setting the guest wireless back in the interface didn't change anything?
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
Ah, OK.
Well let me see what I can do locally anyway since it would probably be quicker.It looks the Espressobin image is now DSA too and have multiple SG-1100s that will run on.
However the fastest thing will be if we can just see what's not happening on your setup.
Are you able to install the ip-bridge package and runbridge vlan?Can I assume setting the guest wireless back in the interface didn't change anything?
OK, but if you find something local, please allow me to pay for it.
Yes, I have just installed ip-bridge. "bridge vlan" gets a return but it's useless right now. I need to rebuild the devices, filtering and interface. One other piece came up in research. Since I'm running as a Dumb AP, I have plenty of headspace on resources so it was recommended that the default (minimal) wpad be removed and the full featured wpad be installed. It has. But one of the suggested steps was to remove the bridging, vlans and disable the wireless before installing it.
Before I did the above, I did put the GuestTest back on the br-lan to see if anything we had done caused the DHCP client to grunge... it was still good and I got an address on the default LAN immediately. I was able to get my iPad to log onto the Guest network as well. But it's on the wrong network...
I just rebooted and it's up clean. But I have to run to dinner. I'll get back on this when I get home.
Thanks,
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Hmm, interesting. I would advise not making any changes until you get the VLAN/VAP config nailed down. It could easily confuse things further.
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@stephenw10 said in pfSense with OpenWRT Guest logon with VLAN:
Hmm, interesting. I would advise not making any changes until you get the VLAN/VAP config nailed down. It could easily confuse things further.
Sorry for my absence. We had a death in the family (expected).
Agree with your statement. I had backups and am doing the secondary testing on my #2 spare (that I was offering up).
So, back to where we were:
- bridge VLAN filtering is applied per your configuration
- no lockout, config holds
- system auto creates br-lan.1
- GuestTest Interface no longer gets a DHCP address.
New discovery:
- even though I have the Guest WLAN1-1 linked to the "GuestTest" Network interface I can log onto the Guest Network successfully - WTF? But on closer look, it is getting an address on the LAN network 192.168.1.x. I do now have the Local unchecked for the VLAN.10 I'm not sure how?
Here are the results you asked for from ip-bridge:
I expected br-lan.1 and br-lan.10port vlan-id lan4 1 PVID Egress Untagged lan3 1 PVID Egress Untagged lan2 1 PVID Egress Untagged lan1 1 PVID Egress Untagged wan 1 PVID Egress Untagged wlan0 1 PVID Egress Untagged br-lan 1 PVID Egress Untagged wlan1 1 PVID Egress Untagged wlan1-1 1 PVID Egress UntaggedOne last piece of information:
I noticed when you had me create the VLAN filtering, I had the br-lan.10 created prior and when I configured the 1 and 10 VLANs in filtering and set the tag/untag PVID the system auto created the device for br-lan.1. So as I was putting this test box back in config, I tried to delete the br-lan.10 and see if it would auto create both the .1 and .10 devices... it does not. And it goes into lockout and I have to revert. I don't expect that to make sense, but I hope my explanation is clear. -
Ok, I spent some time looking at this yesterday. I fired up OpenWRT on an 1100, which I haven't tried in a while. It's the same target (mvebu) and includes much of the same hardware as the WRT3200ACM. Crucially including the same type of Marvel e6XXX switch.
I was able to observe exactly the same things you are seeing. It's broken!
Tellingly when you enable bridge VLAN filtering you should have to reassign the LAN interface to the auto-generated vlan device, br-lan.1 here. But you don't. And in fact if you do you will lose connection. I've yet to find a way to actually see how the switch is configured but it's almost certainly failing to add the internal port as a tagged member of those VLANs. Which is why any additional VLANs fail to pull an IP. And also why you can end up with both interfaces in the same subnet since all VLANs that are added as 'local' end up untagged to the same internal port. Though presumably that port uses PVID 1 so one way traffic...
Luckily you are not really using the switch, you only need to get a VLAN interface passed out to the WAN and be available as an interface to attach the VAP.
An additional complication here is that at some point in the future the OpenWRT stable release may become unbroken at which point your current config will stop working because LAN would then need to be assigned as the VLAN. So I recommend using a config with bridge vlan filtering disabled at least for now.There are at least two configs that should work:
As I initially described, creating a vlan on eth0. Unclear if the vridge is required there for the wifi to work. I suspect it isn'tOr creating a VLAN on the WAN port, so:
I'll try to confirm that with a wifi interface when I can.
Steve
