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    Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?

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      bokolobs @nimrod
      last edited by

      @nimrod Copy that. So far, no process has used 100% cpu. Closest was top -a itself (2.5%) and nginx at almost 10%. I've configured pfSense to match my requirements as much as possible. Temps are ranging from 54-65 °C. Although I can see the occasional 75 °C. I'm good with that. It looks like the main problem with my initial install was indeed the pfBlockerNG bug. Will refrain from installing that package until it has been updated.

      @nimrod said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

      If these temps are too high for you, as i said in previous post, you can go into BIOS of your Anyevo appliance and just disable Intel turbo boost technology. That will lower temperatures under load significantly.

      Will keep this in mind.

      Thanks so much!

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by

        I would also recommend using top -HaSP to see all the processes.

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          nimrod @bokolobs
          last edited by

          @bokolobs said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

          @nimrod Copy that. So far, no process has used 100% cpu. Closest was top -a itself (2.5%) and nginx at almost 10%. I've configured pfSense to match my requirements as much as possible. Temps are ranging from 54-65 °C. Although I can see the occasional 75 °C. I'm good with that. It looks like the main problem with my initial install was indeed the pfBlockerNG bug. Will refrain from installing that package until it has been updated.

          @nimrod said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

          If these temps are too high for you, as i said in previous post, you can go into BIOS of your Anyevo appliance and just disable Intel turbo boost technology. That will lower temperatures under load significantly.

          Will keep this in mind.

          Thanks so much!

          The issue with pfBlockerNG is already fixed. You just need to apply the patch and you are good to go.

          Go to System / Package Manager and click on Available Packages tab and type "system patches" and click on Install.

          583e7dd0-6327-437c-a3f7-9a2f750f96e5-image.png

          Onace installed, go to System / Patches and you will see this:

          a7d3c86d-ec34-4b01-a5b0-cc4712a73847-image.png

          Click on add new patch and then you should see this:

          f49693cb-4574-4d4e-b896-ae7393844424-image.png

          In the description field type: "pfBlockerNG High CPU Usage FIX" or whatever you like. Its just a description. Leave the "URL/Commit ID" field empty.

          In the "Patch Contents" field paste this code:

          diff --git a/net/usr/local/pkg/pfblockerng/pfblockerng.inc b/net/usr/local/pkg/pfblockerng/pfblockerng.inc
          index 7fa8c1d2f8bf..2abbef30578b 100644
          --- a/net/usr/local/pkg/pfblockerng/pfblockerng.inc
          +++ b/net/usr/local/pkg/pfblockerng/pfblockerng.inc
          @@ -4136,7 +4136,7 @@ function pfb_filterrules() {
                   foreach ($results as $result) {
                       if (substr($result, 0, 1) == '@') {
          
          -                $r = explode(')', $result, 2);
          +                $r = explode(' ', $result, 2);
          
                           // pfSense > v2.6 uses an 'ridentifier' string
                           if (strpos($result, 'ridentifier') != FALSE) {
          

          It should look lkike this:

          c4497fa6-11eb-4839-87aa-962250120d34-image.png

          Scroll down, dont change anything else, and just click Save button. Once thats done, you should see this:

          30d5b80e-1dac-41df-9be0-230267b8f2e5-image.png

          Click on Apply button, and if everything went well you should see this:

          f308012a-e320-4075-81ac-b5560629375d-image.png

          Reboot your appliance and thats it.

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            bokolobs @stephenw10
            last edited by

            @stephenw10 Thanks! Here's a snapshot at idle just now with temperature at 52 °C.

            last pid: 81146;  load averages:  0.09,  0.16,  0.19                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              up 0+20:05:45  19:57:58
            554 threads:   5 running, 526 sleeping, 23 waiting
            CPU 0:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  0.4% system,  0.0% interrupt, 99.2% idle
            CPU 1:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.4% system,  0.0% interrupt, 99.6% idle
            CPU 2:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  0.4% system,  0.0% interrupt, 99.2% idle
            CPU 3:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.8% system,  0.0% interrupt, 99.2% idle
            Mem: 59M Active, 141M Inact, 557M Wired, 6893M Free
            ARC: 212M Total, 36M MFU, 172M MRU, 164K Anon, 803K Header, 3631K Other
                 60M Compressed, 152M Uncompressed, 2.54:1 Ratio
            Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free
            
              PID USERNAME    PRI NICE   SIZE    RES STATE    C   TIME    WCPU COMMAND
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K RUN      1  20.0H  99.60% [idle{idle: cpu1}]
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K CPU3     3  20.0H  99.59% [idle{idle: cpu3}]
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K CPU2     2  20.0H  99.40% [idle{idle: cpu2}]
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K CPU0     0  20.0H  99.14% [idle{idle: cpu0}]
            76349 root         20    0    14M  4676K CPU1     1   0:00   0.28% top -HaSP
               30 root        -12    -     0B  5120K -        1   0:11   0.13% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_issue_1}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        1   0:54   0.13% [kernel{if_io_tqg_1}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        0   0:55   0.12% [kernel{if_io_tqg_0}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        3   1:12   0.12% [kernel{if_io_tqg_3}]
               30 root        -12    -     0B  5120K -        0   0:11   0.11% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_issue_0}]
               30 root        -12    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:11   0.09% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_issue_2}]
               30 root         -8    -     0B  5120K tx->tx   3   0:08   0.07% [zpool-pfSense{txg_thread_enter}]
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   1   0:03   0.05% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   0   0:02   0.05% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        3   0:43   0.04% [kernel{if_config_tqg_0}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        2   0:56   0.03% [kernel{if_io_tqg_2}]
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   3   0:02   0.03% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
            85026 root         21    0    63M    40M nanslp   1   0:05   0.03% php_wg: WireGuard service (php_wg)
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        2   0:02   0.02% [zpool-pfSense{zio_null_issue}]
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   2   0:01   0.02% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
            99680 root         20    0    20M  9480K select   0   0:00   0.02% sshd: root@pts/0 (sshd)
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        2   0:00   0.02% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_1_10}]
               21 root        -16    -     0B    16K pftm     0   0:21   0.02% [pf purge]
               12 root        -80    -     0B   368K WAIT     2   0:01   0.02% [intr{irq269: nvme0:io2}]
            31914 dhcpd        20    0    23M    12M select   3   0:01   0.02% /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd -user dhcpd -group _dhcp -chroot /var/dhcpd -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf -pf /var/run/dhcpd.pid igc1 igc1.10 igc1.20
            39689 root         20    0    12M  3032K bpf      3   0:06   0.02% /usr/local/sbin/filterlog -i pflog0 -p /var/run/filterlog.pid
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        1   0:00   0.02% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_4_10}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        0   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_2_10}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        2   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_6_8}]
               22 root        -16    -     0B    16K -        2   0:10   0.01% [rand_harvestq]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        1   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_7_5}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_0_8}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        1   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_5_11}]
               12 root        -60    -     0B   368K WAIT     3   0:10   0.01% [intr{swi4: clock (0)}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        2   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_5_7}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        1   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_6_5}]
            40809 root         20    0    10M  2180K select   1   0:05   0.01% /usr/sbin/powerd -b hadp -a hadp -n hadp
               12 root        -80    -     0B   368K WAIT     0   0:01   0.01% [intr{irq267: nvme0:io0}]
               12 root        -80    -     0B   368K WAIT     3   0:01   0.01% [intr{irq270: nvme0:io3}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_3_10}]
            83704 root         20    0    11M  2656K select   0   0:03   0.01% /usr/sbin/syslogd -s -c -c -l /var/dhcpd/var/run/log -P /var/run/syslog.pid -f /etc/syslog.conf
               12 root        -80    -     0B   368K WAIT     1   0:01   0.01% [intr{irq268: nvme0:io1}]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K spa->s   2   0:01   0.01% [zfskern{trim pfSense}]
            32792 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   0   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN2_DHCP -B 10.210.192.17 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN2_DHCP~10.210.192.17~10.210.192.1.pid -u /var/run/dpinger_WAN2_DHCP~10.210.192.17~10.210.192.1.sock -C /etc/rc.gateway_alarm -d 1 -s 500 -l 2000 -t 60000 -A 1000 -D 500 -L 20 10.210.192.1{dpinger}
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K -        3   0:01   0.01% [zfskern{dp_sync_taskq_0}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        0   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_0_9}]
            32330 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   3   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4 -B 10.8.1.2 -p /var/run/dpinger_NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4~10.8.1.2~10.8.1.2.pid -u /var/run/dpinger_NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4~10.8.1.2~10.8.1.2.sock -C /etc/rc.gateway_alarm -d 1 -s 500 -l 2000 -t 60000 -A 1000 -D 500 -L 20 10.8.1.2{dpinger}
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        0   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_7_4}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_3_6}]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K -        2   0:01   0.01% [zfskern{dp_sync_taskq_1}]
            31917 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   2   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN_DHCP -B x.x.152.196 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN_DHCP~x.x.152.196~x.x.128.1.pid -u /var/run/dpinger_WAN_DHCP~x.x.152.196~x.x.128.1.sock -C /etc/rc.gateway_alarm -d 1 -s 500 -l 2000 -t 60000 -A 1000 -D 500 -L 20 x.x.128.1{dpinger}
            97451 root         20    0    19M  6892K select   3   0:04   0.01% /usr/local/sbin/ntpd -g -c /var/etc/ntpd.conf -p /var/run/ntpd.pid{ntpd}
               24 root        -16    -     0B    48K psleep   3   0:04   0.01% [pagedaemon{dom0}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        0   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_free_intr}]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K -        1   0:01   0.01% [zfskern{dp_sync_taskq_2}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        2   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_1_11}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        2   0:00   0.01% [zpool-pfSense{zio_free_issue_1_3}]
               12 root        -72    -     0B   368K WAIT     1   0:00   0.01% [intr{swi1: netisr 2}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:00   0.00% [zpool-pfSense{zio_free_issue_0_1}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:00   0.00% [zpool-pfSense{zio_write_intr_4_9}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        3   0:00   0.00% [zpool-pfSense{zio_free_issue_6_1}]
               30 root        -16    -     0B  5120K -        1   0:00   0.00% [zpool-pfSense{zio_free_issue_7_0}]
            

            I also did a speed test. It reached 71 °C. Pretty happy so far.

            Screen Shot 2022-08-02 at 8.05.23 PM.png

            last pid: 70405;  load averages:  0.30,  0.31,  0.25                                                                                                       up 0+20:16:07  20:08:20
            554 threads:   6 running, 525 sleeping, 23 waiting
            CPU 0:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice, 22.7% system,  0.0% interrupt, 77.3% idle
            CPU 1:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  2.4% system,  0.0% interrupt, 97.6% idle
            CPU 2:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  1.6% system,  0.0% interrupt, 98.1% idle
            CPU 3:  0.4% user,  0.0% nice,  4.3% system,  0.0% interrupt, 95.3% idle
            Mem: 59M Active, 142M Inact, 557M Wired, 6893M Free
            ARC: 213M Total, 36M MFU, 172M MRU, 296K Anon, 805K Header, 3634K Other
                 60M Compressed, 152M Uncompressed, 2.54:1 Ratio
            Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free
            
              PID USERNAME    PRI NICE   SIZE    RES STATE    C   TIME    WCPU COMMAND
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K RUN      2  20.2H  99.32% [idle{idle: cpu2}]
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K CPU1     1  20.2H  97.16% [idle{idle: cpu1}]
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K CPU3     3  20.2H  94.95% [idle{idle: cpu3}]
               11 root        155 ki31     0B    64K CPU0     0  20.2H  82.06% [idle{idle: cpu0}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K CPU0     0   1:03  17.80% [kernel{if_io_tqg_0}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        3   1:17   4.77% [kernel{if_io_tqg_3}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        1   1:01   2.64% [kernel{if_io_tqg_1}]
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        2   1:04   1.56% [kernel{if_io_tqg_2}]
            38722 root         20    0    14M  4676K CPU2     2   0:00   0.21% top -HaSP
                0 root        -76    -     0B   832K -        1   0:43   0.06% [kernel{if_config_tqg_0}]
            40809 root         20    0    10M  2180K select   3   0:05   0.05% /usr/sbin/powerd -b hadp -a hadp -n hadp
            85026 root         22    0    63M    40M nanslp   2   0:05   0.03% php_wg: WireGuard service (php_wg)
            31914 dhcpd        20    0    23M    12M select   3   0:01   0.02% /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd -user dhcpd -group _dhcp -chroot /var/dhcpd -cf /etc/dhcpd.conf -pf /var/run/dhcpd.pid ig
               21 root        -16    -     0B    16K pftm     1   0:21   0.02% [pf purge]
               12 root        -60    -     0B   368K WAIT     0   0:10   0.01% [intr{swi4: clock (0)}]
            99680 root         20    0    20M  9512K select   2   0:00   0.01% sshd: root@pts/0 (sshd)
               22 root        -16    -     0B    16K -        3   0:10   0.01% [rand_harvestq]
            32792 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   2   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN2_DHCP -B 10.210.192.17 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN2_DHCP~10.210.192.17~10.210
            32330 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   0   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4 -B 10.8.1.2 -p /var/run/dpinger_NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4~10.8.1.2~10
            31917 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   0   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN_DHCP -B x.x.152.196 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN_DHCP~x.x.152.196~112.
            45594 root         20    0    15M  6228K select   2   0:02   0.01% /usr/local/sbin/miniupnpd -f /var/etc/miniupnpd.conf -P /var/run/miniupnpd.pid
               24 root        -16    -     0B    48K psleep   1   0:04   0.01% [pagedaemon{dom0}]
            97451 root         20    0    19M  6892K select   3   0:04   0.01% /usr/local/sbin/ntpd -g -c /var/etc/ntpd.conf -p /var/run/ntpd.pid{ntpd}
               12 root        -72    -     0B   368K WAIT     1   0:01   0.01% [intr{swi1: netisr 2}]
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   0   0:01   0.01% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
            32792 root         20    0    11M  2620K sbwait   1   0:00   0.00% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN2_DHCP -B 10.210.192.17 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN2_DHCP~10.210.192.17~10.210
            31917 root         20    0    11M  2620K sbwait   0   0:00   0.00% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN_DHCP -B x.x.152.196 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN_DHCP~x.x.152.196~112.
              382 root         20    0   103M    28M kqread   1   0:03   0.00% php-fpm: master process (/usr/local/lib/php-fpm.conf) (php-fpm)
            32792 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   3   0:00   0.00% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN2_DHCP -B 10.210.192.17 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN2_DHCP~10.210.192.17~10.210
            32330 root         20    0    11M  2620K sbwait   0   0:00   0.00% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4 -B 10.8.1.2 -p /var/run/dpinger_NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4~10.8.1.2~10
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   3   0:03   0.00% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   1   0:03   0.00% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K spa->s   3   0:01   0.00% [zfskern{trim pfSense}]
            39689 root         20    0    12M  3032K bpf      0   0:06   0.00% /usr/local/sbin/filterlog -i pflog0 -p /var/run/filterlog.pid
            31917 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   0   0:00   0.00% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i WAN_DHCP -B x.x.152.196 -p /var/run/dpinger_WAN_DHCP~x.x.152.196~112.
               28 root         16    -     0B    16K syncer   3   0:01   0.00% [syncer]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K t->zth   0   0:01   0.00% [zfskern{solthread 0xfffffff}]
               12 root        -60    -     0B   368K WAIT     3   0:01   0.00% [intr{swi4: clock (1)}]
               26 root        -16    -     0B    80K -        0   0:00   0.00% [bufdaemon{bufspacedaemon-2}]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K t->zth   3   0:01   0.00% [zfskern{solthread 0xfffffff}]
            32330 root         20    0    11M  2620K nanslp   0   0:00   0.00% /usr/local/bin/dpinger -S -r 0 -i NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4 -B 10.8.1.2 -p /var/run/dpinger_NORDVPN_HK_VPNV4~10.8.1.2~10
               12 root        -60    -     0B   368K WAIT     0   0:01   0.00% [intr{swi4: clock (2)}]
               12 root        -60    -     0B   368K WAIT     2   0:01   0.00% [intr{swi4: clock (3)}]
               27 root        -16    -     0B    16K vlruwt   0   0:00   0.00% [vnlru]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K mmp->m   3   0:00   0.00% [zfskern{mmp_thread_enter}]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K dbuf_e   1   0:00   0.00% [zfskern{dbuf_evict_thread}]
                8 root         -8    -     0B   608K l2arc_   2   0:00   0.00% [zfskern{l2arc_feed_thread}]
               26 root        -16    -     0B    80K psleep   1   0:00   0.00% [bufdaemon{bufdaemon}]
               24 root        -16    -     0B    48K umarcl   3   0:00   0.00% [pagedaemon{uma}]
               26 root        -16    -     0B    80K -        2   0:00   0.00% [bufdaemon{bufspacedaemon-3}]
               26 root        -16    -     0B    80K -        0   0:00   0.00% [bufdaemon{bufspacedaemon-1}]
            95917 unbound      20    0    71M    40M kqread   3   0:02   0.00% /usr/local/sbin/unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf{unbound}
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              bokolobs @nimrod
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              @nimrod Oohh! Alright! Will try this later when I can do a reboot. Network is busy right now.

              Thanks!

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                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                Yeah, that looks good. Nothing using any CPU at idle at all really. No CPU cores anywhere near 100% use under test.

                Steve

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                  bokolobs @stephenw10
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                  Thanks for all your help @stephenw10 and @nimrod my pfSense has been up almost two full days. So far so good. I will attempt to install pfBlockerNG tonight.

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                    fireodo @bokolobs
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                    @bokolobs said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

                    I have a fanless appliance from Anyrevo with N5105

                    I couldnt find anything to that appliance but what I know is that many of that little enclosure have problems with heat and in many situations there would be helpful to get the heatsink of the processor off and clean the surfaces an reapply a new thermal paste ...

                    Just my 2 cents

                    Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                    SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                    pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                    Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                      bokolobs @fireodo
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                      @fireodo Hi! The fins feel warm to the touch. Isn't that an indication that the heat transfer is ok?

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                        fireodo @bokolobs
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                        @bokolobs said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

                        The fins feel warm to the touch. Isn't that an indication that the heat transfer is ok?

                        Not quiet - :-) Of course there is a thermal dissipation even with bad Heatsink/Processor contact but I would give that a try when/if possible.
                        PS. Can you post a foto of that machine? (or a link)

                        Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                        SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                        pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                        Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          Mmm, the factory thermal paste/pad is often pretty poor on those cheap mini-PC devices. You will probably see some improvement repasting it with something of decent quality but you probably don't need to.

                          Steve

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                            nimrod @stephenw10
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                            Not all appliances use thermal paste between CPU and heat sink. Some use thermal pads instead. I also saw combination of both. Some Qotom appliances have a thermal paste, small aluminium heat sink on top, and on top of that heat sink, thermal pad that touches metal case. Its true that cheaper appliances use very low quality thermal paste, but that is not worth repasting unless you are replacing it with high quality thermal grease like Thermal Grizzly. Even then, success may vary, because heat transfer mostly depends on how polished and flat is the surface that touches CPU die. On cheaper devices like Anyevo and Topton that surface is very rough. There are even cheaper Chinese brands like XCY and BebePC that dont even bother scraping the paint. And because of that, you dont have direct contact between CPU die and heat sink. This is why those devices die prematurely even if you repaste it with high quality grease.

                            Always go for genuine Netgate device, or, if thats not an option, go for Yanling/MiniSys/Protectli/Qotom devices. They are properly made, they have waranty and technical support.

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                              bokolobs @nimrod
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                              @nimrod I actually have an extra tube of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut lying around. I might re-paste it if I feel adventurous.

                              And thanks for the info regarding mini pc brands. This is my first unit like this. I'm used to assembling my own PCs, but I got lazy and just purchased this. It is also very difficult to get 4-port Intel NICs right now where I live. I still have a Beelink GK55 mini pc which I used as an Untangle box for almost a year, but it only had 2 Realtek ethernet ports and is no longer suitable for our network needs. I'll probably use this Anyrevo one until it breaks or gives me trouble. Or maybe I'll just build a low powered, mini-atx one with better specs if I can get my hands on Intel NICs. If you guys have recommendations, that would be awesome.

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                                fireodo @bokolobs
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                                @bokolobs said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

                                I actually have an extra tube of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut lying around. I might re-paste it if I feel adventurous.

                                That would be a good compromise ... and as nimrod stated - beside Netgate (first choice): Yanling/MiniSys/Protectli/Qotom and I add Kettop - those are well build (what dont mean that you can get a faulty one here too)

                                Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                                SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                                pfsense 2.8.0 CE
                                Packages: Apcupsd, Cron, Iftop, Iperf, LCDproc, Nmap, pfBlockerNG, RRD_Summary, Shellcmd, Snort, Speedtest, System_Patches.

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                                  nimrod @bokolobs
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                                  @bokolobs said in Anyrevo fanless appliance hitting >60 C, is this normal?:

                                  @nimrod I actually have an extra tube of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut lying around. I might re-paste it if I feel adventurous.

                                  I would not do it. Although cheap, there is absolutely nothing wrong with your unit. All the issues you had so far were software issues. Just install pfBlockerNG, apply the patch and you are good to go.

                                  And thanks for the info regarding mini pc brands. This is my first unit like this. I'm used to assembling my own PCs, but I got lazy and just purchased this. It is also very difficult to get 4-port Intel NICs right now where I live. I still have a Beelink GK55 mini pc which I used as an Untangle box for almost a year, but it only had 2 Realtek ethernet ports and is no longer suitable for our network needs. I'll probably use this Anyrevo one until it breaks or gives me trouble. Or maybe I'll just build a low powered, mini-atx one with better specs if I can get my hands on Intel NICs. If you guys have recommendations, that would be awesome.

                                  Anyevo is a cheap appliance, but make no mistake. The board inside still has a Intel CPU and Intel NICs. Anyevo and other cheap Chinese brands, get lower prices by using lower quality metals for their case. Packaging is cheap. They have bad machining (rough metal), poor paint and printing on the case. They also ship their units with cheap AC adapters, cheap no name RAM and SSDs. There are no bios updates, software support, or any support for that matter. Warranty is also questionable.

                                  If you, for example, get higher quality power supply and better SSD, that unit will serve you for many many years with zero issues.

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