Slow DNS after 22.05
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@gertjan said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
It's 'old' technology from the '60 and '70
Its not quite that old hehe, 1983 was when dns was created.. But yeah it's been around long time..
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True. Should have to consult that low number RFC again ;)
Most probably 'they' have taken a phone book, read it, and uses it as an example.
Family names => phone numbers.
Easy.They've add some other stuff also.
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@gertjan yeah in a nutshell sure dns is like a phone book.
Just different books.. The roots being the first book, saying hey if your looking for .tld X go look in book 1, if your looking for .tld Y go look in book 2
This next book lists the domain part of the fqdn, which says hey if your looking domainX look in book A1, if your looking for domainY go look in book A2, etc.
In that book will be the host part of the fqdn,
There might only be 3 books you need to look in, or there could be 6 books, depending on delegation, if cname that references a completely different book all the way back up to the tld, etc.
Generally speaking dns is not all that complicated, but there are quite a few moving parts. But sure the analogy of a phone book is pretty freaking close. DNS is the phonebook of the internet.
Forwarding is you just asking billy, hey could you look up kevins phone number for me.. Sure I could just look in the books myself, but I am lazy ;)
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And the day Billy isn't up to the task, not present, not reachable, on holiday, on strike, or whatever, you won't be calling any one any more.
When Billy looks up a number, but send you another one (to error is human) you have an issue.
Added to that : Billy knows who you are in contact with ;)
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@gertjan yup all true statements
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Anyone experiencing this issue got anywhere with fixing it?
I've tried reverting to OOTB DNS settings but still experience the same issue.I'm going to try a full re-install tonight to see if that helps at all.
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I am also encountering this problem with DNS running on a pfSense VM running on my Proxmox server. Randomly hostnames, like facebook.com, will stop resolving, and then start up again after a brief period of time. No rhyme or reason. No pattern I can find.
As a temporary workaround, I installed a pihole container on proxmox to provide DNS services to my LAN, serve the pihole DNS address to my clients via DHCP. No issues at all after that, everything works fine.
Definitely something in the pfSense DNS.
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I encountered the same issues wit the upgrade to 22.05. After trying some suggestions ont this forum topic and reverting back after comming to the conlusion that noting realy resorted the problem, i have enabled the option: DNS Query Forwarding. After i set this my problems seemed to have been resolved. Any other setting is set to the standard "pfsense" defaults.
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@mikymike82 @Kempain @tentpiglet
If you have to forward to some DNS resolver then the quality of your DNS depends on what this DNS server is answering you.
If you decide to use the pfSense default DNS setting, pfSense resolves for you using the 13 ( ! ) available root servers, then DNS will work fine.
I can tell, as I'm using the settings Netgate proposes by default : never had an issue for the last 10+ years.These settings (first and third) are not default :
"for historical reasons".
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My pfSense DNS resolver settings were the 'default' ones provided out of the box. I made no special modifications. DNS resolution was incredibly unstable.
Switching to the pi-hole container resolved my issues.
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@tentpiglet said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
DNS resolution was incredibly unstable.
Do you have IPv6? Other thread around here seems that setting unbound not to use IPv6 in its queries has helped..
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@tentpiglet said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
pfSense VM running on my Proxmox server
22.05 or 2.6.0 ?
UNstable means :
You found it 'not running', and no process 'unbound' was present when you list processes ?
Or the process unbound was there, but didn't answer ?
An nslookup from a PC on a LAN failed ?C:\Users\gwkro>nslookup Server default : pfSense.main.net Address: 192.168.1.1 > facebook.com Server : pfSense.main.net Address: 192.168.1.1 Réponse ne faisant pas autorité : Nom : facebook.com Addresses: 2a03:2880:f15a:83:face:b00c:0:25de 31.13.77.35 >edit : how many times a day unbound restarts ?
Just ask your pfSense :grep 'start' /var/log/resolver.log ...... <30>1 2022-07-28T09:31:43.284577+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 60716 - - [60716:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-07-29T14:35:14.991568+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 47871 - - [47871:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-07-29T14:39:18.227880+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 94551 - - [94551:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-01T00:00:42.825487+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 7853 - - [7853:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-03T10:22:14.251824+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 20236 - - [20236:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-03T10:22:52.446334+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 82360 - - [82360:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-03T11:04:04.591690+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 88564 - - [88564:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-04T08:02:35.997090+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 14697 - - [14697:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-04T10:59:24.370800+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 59771 - - [59771:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-06T10:09:10.552646+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 67115 - - [67115:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-08T00:00:44.809011+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 9808 - - [9808:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). <30>1 2022-08-09T10:35:25.013811+02:00 pfSense.main.net unbound 44307 - - [44307:0] info: start of service (unbound 1.15.0). -
@gertjan My PFsense was until the upgrade to 22.05 in "standard config" I have never changed anything to my DNS. I even did a complete new installation to replicate the issue. 22.01 no problems and after upgrading to 22.05 my dns resolution was a complete mess.
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Really, I think it's clear something broke in 22.05 and there's not any point in pretending it's a user problem. We've all experienced this and found some work arounds. Perhaps the maintainers should take a serious look at the code and try to figure out why so many users experienced the same phenomenon.
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@tentpiglet I think my solution might (temporarily) help you out with the DNS issues you and others in this topic are experiencing. 1,5 weeks of stable connection so far.
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@mikymike82 said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
my dns resolution was a complete mess
What about answering questions ?
Btw : I used a bare bone system (old Dell desktop, added a Quad Intel NIC) for nearly 10 years.
Since last Juin I'm using a SG 4100. Works great.
I have DNS statistics.@jax said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
why so many users experienced the same phenomenon
120 thousand plus active users - all without DNS ?
That is, I can tell that my DNS works. edit : showing another way to see the resolver restarting.@mikymike82 said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
22.01 no problems and after upgrading to 22.05
If you don't use IPv6, do what @johnpoz said.
Btw : I never used 22.01 - 22.01 was pre installed on my 4100, but I upgraded the day I received the unit.
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@jax said in Slow DNS after 22.05:
We've all experienced
We are??? I am not having any issues..
why so many users experienced the same phenomenon.
So many users? like the handful posted here? Where are these users posting that they are having issues? The 1000's and 1000's of them that are running 22.05? All having issues? Some how I have seem to have missed that it was such a wide spread problem - very odd since I am on the board like all day pretty much every day.. And some how I have missed that its everyone having the issue..
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FWIW, I have had no problems on the VM and package set in my sig, clean built 2.6>22.01>22.05. I use IPv4/v6.
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@provels But how can that be - we clearly all having issues, maybe your having an issue and just don't know it ;) hehehehe
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Managed to capture some nslookups when DNS bombed out.
It's really tricky to troubleshoot because it happens sporadically and randomly.Interestingly requests to pfSense timed out twice, then it only returned an IPv6 address without IPv4, then it returned both IPv6 and IPv4. Maybe this adds some credence to the issue being related to IPv6 but who knows. IPv6 was returned first in this particular case so disabling IPv6 would have likely caused more harm.
I still want to check the unbound service to see how often that is restarting which I'll try do later to see if those 2 events line up.
