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Kernel Panics on Intel Apollo Lake Processors

Plus 23.05 Development Snapshots (Retired)
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    Dobby_ @SiDegr
    last edited by Dobby_ May 18, 2023, 8:44 PM May 18, 2023, 8:43 PM

    @sidegr said in Kernel Panics on Intel Apollo Lake Processors:

    I am also wondering if it has anything to do with PowerD that i have enabled and set to Hiadaptive

    Could be interesting for you

    #~. @Dobby

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      Dobby_ @SiDegr
      last edited by May 18, 2023, 8:45 PM

      @sidegr said in Kernel Panics on Intel Apollo Lake Processors:

      I am also wondering if it has anything to do with PowerD that i have enabled and set to Hiadaptive

      found it back

      #~. @Dobby

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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by May 18, 2023, 9:00 PM

        The speedstep/speedshift difference only affects p-states not c-states just for clarity. But you might find speedshift is enabled on a system where speedstep wasn't.

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          SiDegr @stephenw10
          last edited by SiDegr May 18, 2023, 9:24 PM May 18, 2023, 9:20 PM

          @stephenw10

          So i suppose PowerD doesnt really affect my issue, anyway the current status is that since i have disabled monitor mwait in BIOS and also included some parameters in the loader.conf file to update the cpu microcode on boot the panics significantly reduced in frequency but they are still happening a bit less than ones a day or so

          (Edit) Those are the lines i have added to loader.conf

          cpu_microcode_load="YES"
          cpu_microcode_name="/boot/firmware/intel-ucode.bin"
          

          And this is the output i get from dmesg

          CPU microcode: updated from 0x3c to 0x48
          
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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by May 18, 2023, 9:25 PM

            You should check to see if Speedshift is attaching at boot though. It's enabled by default in 23.01 so it could be doing a bunch of CPU speed scaling that wouldn't have happened in older versions.

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              SiDegr @stephenw10
              last edited by SiDegr May 18, 2023, 9:31 PM May 18, 2023, 9:31 PM

              @stephenw10

              I see nothing related to speedshift in dmesg the only thing I see is in regards to speedstep and it’s this line

              est0: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu0
              

              However it only shows up for core 0 some posts I have seen online it shows up for all cores that the cpu exposes to the kernel like 0, 1, 2 and 3 in my case

              Not sure if that could be an issue as well

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                SiDegr @stephenw10
                last edited by SiDegr May 18, 2023, 9:38 PM May 18, 2023, 9:33 PM

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                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by May 19, 2023, 1:58 PM

                  That is probably fine. Speedstep can only set the P-states all the same anyway so it only really needs to use core 0. Speedshift can set each core individually and does so at much faster rates. But your CPU doesn't support it so not a problem.

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                    SiDegr @stephenw10
                    last edited by SiDegr May 19, 2023, 2:52 PM May 19, 2023, 2:43 PM

                    @stephenw10

                    Oh ok then it makes sense for speedshift to not get attached at boot

                    Well for now it seems that the only solution is to just keep monitor mwait off on the BIOS side and only let the cores enter at most a C1 state cause anything more than C1 is extremely unstable, it would be nice to see that fixed tough, also it might have to do with the fact the freebsd 14 is still in a fairly early beta stage and might have issues

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                      SiDegr
                      last edited by SiDegr May 19, 2023, 3:06 PM May 19, 2023, 3:02 PM

                      Some times i wish that a 1100 was enough but with a 1Gbps internet connection it won't do and the 2100 is way over budget and an overkill for a home user. Also where i live, they resell the 1100 for 500 euro for a 190 euro device :P

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                        Dobby_ @SiDegr
                        last edited by May 19, 2023, 8:26 PM

                        @sidegr

                        Today: 1 dollar = 0,93 €
                        $189 = 174 €

                        Netgate SG1100 for around ~249 € plus shipping fee
                        Netgate SG2100 for around ~449 € plus shipping fee

                        #~. @Dobby

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                        PC Engines APU4D4 - 4 Ports - 4 GB RAM / pfSense CE 2.7.2 Release (ZFS)
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                          SiDegr @Dobby_
                          last edited by SiDegr May 20, 2023, 12:57 AM May 20, 2023, 12:44 AM

                          @dobby_

                          Yeah see those are prices from a german reseller, the official reseller where i live sells the 1100 for 500 euros :P And i am not sure even if i ordered it from another country i would probably get import charges on top of whatever the price is and who knows how much those would be

                          Nonetheless the SG1100 is not enough for a gigabit internet connection and the 2100 is out of my budget this is why i went for the ZimaBoard which supposedly supported pfSense they even have it on their website although it has caused me nothing but issues since i installed it.. First the NICs which as i mentioned before i was expecting some issues but my general concensus was that dissabling HW checksum offload would fix most of em but for me it was straight up kernel panics every like 20-30 mins

                          Then i fixed that by manually adding the realtek kmod driver and now i have the cpu sleep state issues

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                            SiDegr
                            last edited by SiDegr May 20, 2023, 12:54 AM May 20, 2023, 12:46 AM

                            My old box was working like a charm but since it was a thin client pc it only had one integrated nic and i had to use a usb 3.0 to Gbe adapter as my second NIC which was bottlenecking my connection to around 350Mbps since i upgraded to Gbps so i had to change it

                            Now don't get me wrong the ZimaBoard is a pretty nice SBC and very capable but in the current state of things it is not the best option for someone that intends to use it as a home firewall appliance, the only thing that i was able to run hassle free was Sophos XG Home which is extremely heavy for the cpu and has also a 6GB RAM limit if you don't buy a licence which makes the other 2 on my board useless plus all my experience and setup knowledge was always on pfSense

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                              SiDegr
                              last edited by May 22, 2023, 10:07 AM

                              Hello again, i can now confirm that i did not have any kernel panics since my last post

                              I did not do anything in particular i have just switched back the max C state to C1 and i kept the microcode update process enabled in the loader.conf

                              I have now just updated to the 23.05 Release and lets hope it will continue to be stable :P

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                                SiDegr
                                last edited by May 22, 2023, 10:08 AM

                                @stephenw10

                                Also, how come that 23.05 is in "RELEASE" but it still shows up as the "next stable release" and not the "current stable release" in the updates menu?

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                                  Dobby_ @SiDegr
                                  last edited by May 23, 2023, 8:01 AM

                                  @sidegr said in Kernel Panics on Intel Apollo Lake Processors:

                                  Also, how come that 23.05 is in "RELEASE" but it still shows up as the "next stable release" and not the "current stable release" in the updates menu?

                                  It was quick changed for a moment to Release and then
                                  it was switched back, but the image is the same as it
                                  was confirmed by @stephenw10 in another thread.

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                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by May 23, 2023, 5:48 PM

                                    You should see the release as current stable now.

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