can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?

viragomann

@comet424 said in can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?:

first you said i just need backend then steph siad i need a front end..then you said i need a front end but you did it with just a backend

@viragomann said in can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?:

Any connection through HAproxy needs a frontend and a backend. I just managed the backend, because this does the trick of failover.

Again, the frontend listens on an interface an port for requests like any other server does. And it forward the request to a backend, basically this can be based on ACLs, but this is not needed for your purpose. You can state your backend as default backend.

In the backend settings you state the backend servers with IP addresses and ports. Since you want to realize a failover, you need to add both home assistant server to a single backed, the main as active, the backup as backup.

Is this really as complicated?

comet424

@viragomann i did have both Active and backup of the ip address in Backend and you said that was wrong so i deleted the active

as you seen in the pic i had both and then you bolded that i needed a single backend so the way you sounded i had to erase the active one

viragomann

@comet424
Your very first screenshot above shows both server as active. So I advised you

@viragomann said in can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?:

So you should set the backup server as backup type in the backend.

comet424

@viragomann
dont remember i talking about the picture right above your reply thats where it says Active and backup and when i read your message i then deleted the active image

viragomann
33 minutes ago

@viragomann
Please slow down and follow the suggestions.
I told you to simply edit the backup server in the backend and change the type to "backup". You need a single backend.

but ok so i put it back in i set it the way its in the pic... im sure i not done what else do i need to edit?

comet424

so i tried to see if it works

by trying http://homeassistant:8123 that didnt work
i tried the name home_assistant:8123

i tried
192.168.0.1:8123 that didnt work either

i did try changing the Listening interface from Localhost to LAN
so it set it to
192.168.0.1:8123

now when i accessed that i got a 503 server error... but still couldnt access http://homeassistant to access the backup server
or by the 192.168.0.1 pfsense box

as i turned off the main home assitant... but ill keep playing around too.. trial and error (:

i also checked off the box use forwarder.. i not sure if you need that checked off or not

viragomann

@comet424
Seems you're going on doing try and fail.

by trying http://homeassistant:8123 that didnt work
i tried the name home_assistant:8123

Is the client able to resolve these host names to pfSense? You've probably to update your DNS accordingly.

i did try changing the Listening interface from Localhost to LAN
so it set it to
192.168.0.1:8123

Localhost only makes sense if you forward the packets on the incoming interface port 8123 to it.
Otherwise let HAproxy listen on the interface address.

now when i accessed that i got a 503 server error... but still couldnt access http://homeassistant to access the backup server
or by the 192.168.0.1 pfsense box

If you look in the HAproxy stats, are the backends shown as online at all?

Maybe we can get a step beyond, when you provide some more details about your network and the HAproxy settings.

stephenw10

We did a hangout covering HAProxy. It's old but the concepts are still valid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJSHMyrd29E

comet424

ok ill check out that video now

@viragomann
ah i tried a bit and failed...

as for accessing

http://homeassistant:8123

ya all computers can access that and then i labled the 2nd home assistant homeassistant2:8123

the home_assistant:8123 that didnt work from using the name i was trying to understand it.. i was trying to find a video for dummies to explain it better what each one ment and explain it like those yellow dummies books

so in one of the videos i watched they set the forward listen to LAN not localhost.. but i can change it to local host

so my network is

Lan 192.168.0.0
Cameras 192.168.10.0
IoT 192.168.20.0
Dmz 192.168.40.0

home assistant has an ip for all the networks
192.168.0.12
192.168.10.12
192.168.20.12
192.168.40.12

all linked to the first one..

the backup home assistant is just on 192.168.0.10 i working on it later for bridging

the stats show red so i guessing it cant connect

so currently this is what i got.. so i wont change it so you know what i have at this moment

and i added a dns server to the settings page i do not know if i needed to or not

and it takes me time with my dislexia and learning disabilitty i need to read things sometimes 10 times to try to understand things.. sorry if i go to fast or too slow or miss stuff

viragomann

@comet424 said in can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?:

the stats show red so i guessing it cant connect

No, it just says that the health check failed.

HAproxy does health checking to determine if a backend server is alive. If the check is failing he sends no packets to it. Since both of yours are failing, it doesn't work.

There different methods of health checking you can set in the backend. At least "basic" should work. It only tries a TCP connection to the backend server. So try this.

and i added a dns server to the settings page i do not know if i needed to or not

I never set this. And for my understanding it is only useful if you state host names instead of IPs for the backend servers.

comet424

@viragomann
ah ok i set it to basic and did screen shot of stats

and ok i can delete the dns part...

comet424

and here is my firewall rules id you need those too

viragomann

@comet424

i did try changing the Listening interface from Localhost to LAN
so it set it to
192.168.0.1:8123

now when i accessed that i got a 503 server error...

This error should be gone now, I think, if you set it up the same way again.

But maybe you have still an issue with the name resolution.
You mentioned different host names in the past. I'm not sure, which are you really need on the client to access the home assistant server. But you should point this to pfSense.

comet424

@viragomann

ya that error is gone.. and just the other error now

Hmmm… can't reach this page192.168.0.1 took too long to respond
Try:

Search the web for 192 168 0 1
Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
Running Windows Network Diagnostics

thats trying to access home assistant now at 192.168.0.1:8123

well ya i did 2 different host names just to

and ya like
the actual host name for the main home assistant
is
homeassistant

the backup is just homeassistant2

but in the backend under name
i did homeassistant_main for homeassistant
and homeassistant_backup for homeassistant2

now if naming issues is a problem should the be both named homeassistant ?
or how you do it

or would it be better say

http://home.8123

and it points to
homeassistant:8123 (main)
homeassistant2:8123 (backup)

like i just learning i just trying i thought a dns resolver and u use domain name home and i pointed it to both servers like host overrides.. but that didnt seem to work right so i scrappped that..

sorry if my explaining sucks it seems ok in my head but when i explain it doesnt always sound right for others

comet424

if possible if you can make example screen shots i could enter in as ia visual learner that would help then id enter it the way it should be.. and then youd know exactly how it should look
if possible

viragomann

@comet424 said in can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?:

thats trying to access home assistant now at 192.168.0.1:8123

No way if the frontend is listening on localhost!
We talked about this multiple times. You saw somewhere in a YT video that it was listening on localhost and fall back into this, despite I told you that this would require a forward to localhost.
You can do this if you need to access the frontend from multiple network segments. But you would need to set the port forwardings, otherwise you won't succeed.
However, I recommend to set the frontend to listen on the LAN address. This is also easier for the name resolution.

the actual host name for the main home assistant is homeassistant
the backup is just homeassistant2
but in the backend under name i did homeassistant_main for homeassistant and homeassistant_backup for homeassistant2

We are not talking about the real servers here, it is the name you want to use to access the home assistant via HAproxy.
I guess, this should be homeassistant. So go into your DNS settings and point it to pfSense LAN IP.

comet424

@viragomann
ya the youtube video doesnt use localhost.. they change from WAN to LAN they say to use LAN for frontend they never talk about using localhost

ya i had it set to LAN thats where you get the 503 error

but ok ill re add the dns setting to point to 192.168.0.1 and 53 as the port right?

and i dont know what you mean a forward to localhost..

like i say i need pictures screen shots words dont always help me if dont understand what im visually seeing

but ill keep looking.. sorry not fast realizer im just a visual learning and detail explaination of each field to someone that is learning in school say..

i do appreciate the help so far.. thats why i asked for screen shots of what should i have in the fields

viragomann

@comet424 said in can you setup a fail over for say Homeassistant like 2 Ips 1 domain name?:

but ok ill re add the dns setting to point to 192.168.0.1 and 53 as the port right?

This was a DNS server setting in HAproxy. No, not there. I was talking about your local DNS server.

You say, homeassistant is resolved to the main server in your local network. So you're running a local DNS server and have set an override for this name, I guess. Or how does this work?
Probably you're running the DNS Resolver on pfSense for DNS resolution.
If so go to the Resolver page and update the host override entry and point it to the LAN IP.

BTW: "homeassistant" is not a really proper host name. You should attach a domain to it. E.g. "homeassistant.home". So home would be your local domain.

You don't need port forwardings, but you would need to allow access to the LAN IP on the other interfaces if you want to allow access to the home assistant from connected devices.

I cannot provide screenshots, I haven't HAproxy installed at home.

comet424

@viragomann
so how my home assistant works is

pfsense === >dhcp ===> (main server)unraid server(HA VM) gets 192.168.0.12 and has the hostname homeassistant inside the software
pfsense === >dhcp ===> (backup server)unraid server(HA VM) gets 192.168.0.10 and has the hostname homeassistant2 inside the software

i dont do host override etc
and thats how i access home assistant
http://192.168.0.12:8123 or http://homeassistant:8123

ok i set the host over ride to homeassistant.home in the dns resolver