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    • NollipfSenseN
      NollipfSense
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      So, I have been observing pfSense booting up on my production box and noticed that device manager driver takes about 30 seconds to load and the cryptographic accelerator driver takes 2 minutes and 40 seconds to completely load. Whereas on my private cloud box it's instantly and wondering why? The private cloud box has Intel Xeon w-2155 whereas the production is as below:

      Screenshot 2023-10-30 at 8.22.57 AM.png

      pfSense+ 23.09 Lenovo Thinkcentre M93P SFF Quadcore i7 dual Raid-ZFS 128GB-SSD 32GB-RAM PCI-Intel i350-t4 NIC, -Intel QAT 8950.
      pfSense+ 23.09 VM-Proxmox, Dell Precision Xeon-W2155 Nvme 500GB-ZFS 128GB-RAM PCIe-Intel i350-t4, Intel QAT-8950, P-cloud.

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      • GertjanG
        Gertjan @NollipfSense
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        @NollipfSense said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

        takes 2 minutes and 40 seconds to completely load.

        Like : the boot process shows a line, pauses 10 seconds, and shows another line.

        Or do you want to show us what line exactly takes a "lot of time" ?!

        My "Atom(TM) CPU C3338R @ 1.80GHz" based Netgate (a 4100) needs ... not sure.... 30 seconds before it enters pfSense land.

        No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        • NollipfSenseN
          NollipfSense @Gertjan
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          @Gertjan said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

          Like : the boot process shows a line, pauses 10 seconds, and shows another line.

          Yes however, with the device manager, it pauses for 30 seconds, then continues, then gets to cryptographic accelerator, pauses for 2 minutes and 40 seconds until the next line appears...this is consistently over several booting up and just curious.

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            It sounds like you have the wrong console type set and are only seeing the boot messages that are sent to both consoles.

            Check Adv > Admin Access > primary-console

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            • NollipfSenseN
              NollipfSense @stephenw10
              last edited by NollipfSense

              @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

              It sounds like you have the wrong console type set and are only seeing the boot messages that are sent to both consoles.

              Check Adv > Admin Access > primary-console

              It was on serial console...just changed to video and will reboot to see whether that resolve it. No, it remained the same...

              Screenshot 2023-10-30 at 11.17.58 AM.png

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                It just appears to stop and then carried on with the normal boot? Or do you see nothing for some time and then just see the console menu?

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                • NollipfSenseN
                  NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                  @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                  It just appears to stop and then carried on with the normal boot?

                  More like a pause, albeit a 2 minitues and 40 seconds, then carry on as normal until it gets to my favorite part "bootstrapping clock" where I smile wondering who came up with that term while I visualize a cartoon animation of a clock getting bootstrapped. Every time I watch the boot up process, the same animation appears upon seeing bootstrapping clock.

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Hmm, odd. Can you show where in happens in the boot messages?

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                    • NollipfSenseN
                      NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                      Hmm, odd. Can you show where in happens in the boot messages?

                      Stayed like this for 2 minutes and 40 seconds approximately before continuing...

                      Screenshot 2023-10-30 at 1.13.05 PM.png

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        Ah, that's using the 8950 expansion card for QAT?

                        If you disable QAT does it not hang there?

                        Try pressing CTL+t at the console whilst it's waiting at that point. See what it's waiting for.

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                        • NollipfSenseN
                          NollipfSense @stephenw10
                          last edited by NollipfSense

                          @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                          Ah, that's using the 8950 expansion card for QAT?

                          If you disable QAT does it not hang there?

                          Try pressing CTL+t at the console whilst it's waiting at that point. See what it's waiting for.

                          If I interrupt this correctly, it seems that the system is pausing NIC driver (e1000) first so it can load...learned something new today! Maybe the difference with the private cloud box is that it's not using the e1000 driver; it's using a virtual one.

                          Screenshot 2023-10-30 at 1.55.24 PM.png

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                            last edited by

                            Hmm, no idea why it would wait for that. Loading the driver usually almost instant.

                            Does it actually have any em or igb NICs? That QAT card is a bit odd because IIRC it is derived from a chipset that includes e1000 NICs....

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                            • NollipfSenseN
                              NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                              @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                              Hmm, no idea why it would wait for that. Loading the driver usually almost instant.

                              Does it actually have any em or igb NICs? That QAT card is a bit odd because IIRC it is derived from a chipset that includes e1000 NICs....

                              It has the Intel i350-t4, so igb...

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                If you keep hitting ctl+t does the 'r' values count up in seconds for the full delay with the same process?

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                                • NollipfSenseN
                                  NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                                  @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                  If you keep hitting ctl+t does the 'r' values count up in seconds for the full delay with the same process?

                                  Yes indeed; however, I didn't go to the full delay...didn't see the last part of your sentence while trying to get the camera ready. This gives the idea of the 2 minutes and 40 seconds estimation though...

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by

                                    Are you able to test removing the QAT card? I'd bet that is the odd chipset that it has in some way.

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                                    • NollipfSenseN
                                      NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                                      @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                      Are you able to test removing the QAT card? I'd bet that is the odd chipset that it has in some way.

                                      No because it's my production box, don't want to disrupt the rest of the household...I would lose.

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        Ok I understand. Let me see if I can find anything...

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                                        • NollipfSenseN
                                          NollipfSense @stephenw10
                                          last edited by NollipfSense

                                          @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                          Ok I understand. Let me see if I can find anything...

                                          It turned out that the same e1000 affects the device manager and caused its delay also despite only 20 - 30 seconds...

                                          Screenshot 2023-10-31 at 9.03.20 AM.png

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            I think you will need to schedule and outage and try booting without the QAT card to confirm that is or isn't the source of the problem here.

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