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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      It just appears to stop and then carried on with the normal boot? Or do you see nothing for some time and then just see the console menu?

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      • NollipfSenseN
        NollipfSense @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

        It just appears to stop and then carried on with the normal boot?

        More like a pause, albeit a 2 minitues and 40 seconds, then carry on as normal until it gets to my favorite part "bootstrapping clock" where I smile wondering who came up with that term while I visualize a cartoon animation of a clock getting bootstrapped. Every time I watch the boot up process, the same animation appears upon seeing bootstrapping clock.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          Hmm, odd. Can you show where in happens in the boot messages?

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          • NollipfSenseN
            NollipfSense @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

            Hmm, odd. Can you show where in happens in the boot messages?

            Stayed like this for 2 minutes and 40 seconds approximately before continuing...

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              Ah, that's using the 8950 expansion card for QAT?

              If you disable QAT does it not hang there?

              Try pressing CTL+t at the console whilst it's waiting at that point. See what it's waiting for.

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              • NollipfSenseN
                NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                Ah, that's using the 8950 expansion card for QAT?

                If you disable QAT does it not hang there?

                Try pressing CTL+t at the console whilst it's waiting at that point. See what it's waiting for.

                If I interrupt this correctly, it seems that the system is pausing NIC driver (e1000) first so it can load...learned something new today! Maybe the difference with the private cloud box is that it's not using the e1000 driver; it's using a virtual one.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  Hmm, no idea why it would wait for that. Loading the driver usually almost instant.

                  Does it actually have any em or igb NICs? That QAT card is a bit odd because IIRC it is derived from a chipset that includes e1000 NICs....

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                  • NollipfSenseN
                    NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                    @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                    Hmm, no idea why it would wait for that. Loading the driver usually almost instant.

                    Does it actually have any em or igb NICs? That QAT card is a bit odd because IIRC it is derived from a chipset that includes e1000 NICs....

                    It has the Intel i350-t4, so igb...

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      If you keep hitting ctl+t does the 'r' values count up in seconds for the full delay with the same process?

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                      • NollipfSenseN
                        NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                        If you keep hitting ctl+t does the 'r' values count up in seconds for the full delay with the same process?

                        Yes indeed; however, I didn't go to the full delay...didn't see the last part of your sentence while trying to get the camera ready. This gives the idea of the 2 minutes and 40 seconds estimation though...

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          Are you able to test removing the QAT card? I'd bet that is the odd chipset that it has in some way.

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                          • NollipfSenseN
                            NollipfSense @stephenw10
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                            @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                            Are you able to test removing the QAT card? I'd bet that is the odd chipset that it has in some way.

                            No because it's my production box, don't want to disrupt the rest of the household...I would lose.

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              Ok I understand. Let me see if I can find anything...

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                              • NollipfSenseN
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                                @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                Ok I understand. Let me see if I can find anything...

                                It turned out that the same e1000 affects the device manager and caused its delay also despite only 20 - 30 seconds...

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                  I think you will need to schedule and outage and try booting without the QAT card to confirm that is or isn't the source of the problem here.

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                                  • NollipfSenseN
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                                    @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                    I think you will need to schedule and outage and try booting without the QAT card to confirm that is or isn't the source of the problem here.

                                    The thing is I don't view it as a problem since the box completed the boot up and operates normally...I was just curious about the delay and learned the cause that appears to be the e1000 driver or the manner it loads. With the private cloud box, which has the same identical NIC and QAT, I know that the delay doesn't happen because it's not using the e1000 driver but instead is using the virtl0/1 paravirtualized driver.

                                    I could schedule something on the weekend when the other household gone shopping...maybe it's unnecessary since I can compare with the private cloud box.

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                      Mmm, well it shouldn't happen. But I agree it's not really a problem.

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                                      • NollipfSenseN
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                                        @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                        Mmm, well it shouldn't happen

                                        That makes me even more curious and will schedule a down time this coming weekend. I searched regarding the chipset but could find anything substantive using my regular DuckDuckGo...I'll try the dreaded Google later.

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                                          @stephenw10 said in Drivers Loading During Booting Up:

                                          Mmm, well it shouldn't happen

                                          So, I upgraded to v23.09RC and it still takes the same time loading device manager and the cryptographic accelerator driver (E1000)...this seems to confirm it's something about the E1000 driver. Hope to do the QAT removal on Sunday.

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