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      SteveITS Galactic Empire @HorstZimmermann
      last edited by SteveITS

      @HorstZimmermann said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

      For me personally i am ok with $129 per year.

      new blog post: https://www.netgate.com/blog/netgate-pfsense-plus-tac-lite-available-for-129-per-year

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        HorstZimmermann @SteveITS
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        @SteveITS oh it is online, thanks

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          AMG A35 @adam.lantos
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          @adam-lantos Been researching company history and lawsuits, had not realized what a dysfunctional company I'd contracted with!

          I empathise with your situation; my short-term goal is leaving all options open.

          I have three units, my live home router with Plus and TAC-LITE, a cold backup with Plus and H&L and a recently created one with CE using an import from my live plus unit.

          I'm now taking disk images of backup unit, tomorrow I'll take the CE unit live and image the existing live unit. I hope this means I have a way back in all scenarios.

          I guess I'm going opnsense, its only replacing pfBlockeNG which is holding me back.

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            RobbieTT @AMG A35
            last edited by RobbieTT

            @AMG-A35
            Yeah, quite some reading.

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              chudak
              last edited by

              How to encourage and reward beta testers?

              Well, here is one example to consider @NetGate

              I have been beta-testing Quicken for many years and several years ago they moved to a subscription model. Here is what they did.

              They made the beta test program open to all (current users) and every year they waive an annual subscription cost based on a beta tester's participation.

              Frankly, I don't know how they determine the level of good vs bad participation as I never was denied a waiver.

              But this sounds like something that can be considered for pfSense as well.

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                mvikman
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                $129 is a bit steep for home use, maybe something like $50-60 with community support only would have been nice...

                pfSense Plus 24.11-RELEASE (amd64)
                Dell Optiplex 7040 SFF
                Core i5-6500, 8GB RAM, 2x 240GB SSD (ZFS Mirror)
                HPE 561T (X540-AT2), 2-port 10Gb RJ45
                HPE 562SFP+ (X710-DA2), 2-port 10Gb SFP+

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                  Viper_Rus @adam.lantos
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                  @adam-lantos said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

                  now I won't get 23.09 full version and can't downgrade to CE either due to mismatched config versions.

                  I think 23.09 is the last they will give us. And then wait for CE 2.8

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                    Darkk @SteveITS
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                    Looks like they're offering a 23% discount for Tac Lite (you will see the discount code via the top banner) which brings it down to $99.33 for one year. If you pick two year the discount would also apply which would bring it to 198.66.

                    Tac Lite shopping link

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                      tedquade @Darkk
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                      @Darkk They are still out of the money for me.

                      Ted

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                        xman111
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                        yup, me too. $0

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                          M00se
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                          Definitely a disappointing turn of events, and for a home lab user $129 per year is just far too steep for me personally. A perpetual licence to 'help the cause' (with the ability for easy migration and VM use-cases) I would have done, but I'm not paying to also then beta test as well as supporting people via other channels.

                          Yes, I could run CE (though, need to look at the path back from 23.09 RC to CE), but part of the home lab interest for me is the strive for continual improvement (and tinkering - where the boot environments is useful).

                          Do I dig out an old board to run opnsense on to test/setup - maybe/probably. But, the thing is, I actually quite liked the pfsense+ experience (hence why I would have paid a perpetual licence). Damn.

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                          • NollipfSenseN
                            NollipfSense
                            last edited by

                            I think it should be $129 per release instead of per year...

                            pfSense+ 23.09 Lenovo Thinkcentre M93P SFF Quadcore i7 dual Raid-ZFS 128GB-SSD 32GB-RAM PCI-Intel i350-t4 NIC, -Intel QAT 8950.
                            pfSense+ 23.09 VM-Proxmox, Dell Precision Xeon-W2155 Nvme 500GB-ZFS 128GB-RAM PCIe-Intel i350-t4, Intel QAT-8950, P-cloud.

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                              Viper_Rus @NollipfSense
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                              @NollipfSense said in Navigating to Buy pfSense +:

                              I think it should be $129 per release instead of per year...

                              I completely agree. I have 3 installations in different houses, I just can’t handle 129x3 per year. It's 3 times more expensive than my internet costs ;)

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                                andrzejls @gisuck
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                                @gisuck , Yeah.... great. Include "Boot Environments" in CE and I am good with that.

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                                  GPz1100 @Viper_Rus
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                                  Did anyone catch this on reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/PFSENSE/s/fmPjI06ouY

                                  Hmmm..............

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                                    w0w
                                    last edited by w0w

                                    Not really, or rather I didn’t understand at all how the subscription model works for users who already have purchased free licenses. Let’s say I have 13 purchased licenses that were used mainly for the same test equipment.
                                    It’s completely inconvenient to wait for a response on the forum asking for a replacement NDID when I just replaced the network card or changed them in a virtual or physical machine. I have absolutely no idea which license is active where, but of course I know my NDID, where it is currently used. It is clear that only two licenses are actively used; two or three virtual machines are rarely launched. That is, out of 13 licenses, only two are constantly used.

                                    Let's say I purchase an annual lite subscription. Does this subscription apply to all licenses I have purchased, or should I additionally write something to someone about NDID?
                                    I'm going to add network cards soon, will this naturally cause a change in the NDID again and, accordingly, new problems?

                                    And also, could the opinion about the widespread distribution of illegal plus versions be partly due to such an inconvenience, when in order to change the NDID you need to contact someone from Netgate and people simply ignored this opportunity, because it was stupidly easier to purchase another free license ?

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                                      Darkk @w0w
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                                      @w0w On the ordering page it states that the license is applied to the installed instance only which is why it asks for your current Netgate ID.

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                                        chigh09
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                                        I was checking out amazon and a bit confused on why netgate listed their appliance on there with "1 year TAC lite". Are they going to charge for TAC lite on appliances now also or will it be optional?

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                                          RobbieTT @chigh09
                                          last edited by RobbieTT

                                          @chigh09

                                          I have a 6100 and at the year point the TAC-Lite bit disappeared from the GUI and was replaced by a friendly 'Community Support Only' tag.

                                          At the time this kinda made sense as only the 'full support' bit changed but the pfSense+ element continues. The only confusion (at that point) is that you still have to use 'TAC-Lite' (that you no longer have) for a new USB image.

                                          With 'TAC-Lite' firmly attached to the new definitions there probably should be clarification on the terms for 'TAC-Lite' in the perpetual licence sense vs TAC-Lite for the additional support element.

                                          Clearly nobody thought of any of the issues arising from the first statement and today's version is better but still lacks clarity and one of the key points has already been reversed since. Plus, it still dwells at the barking mad stage of management.

                                          Cue Moses, tramping up the hill again for The Commandments, v3.0. He probably needs to sharpen his stone-chisel. Again.

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                                            JonathanS
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                                            $129 for what? I'll pass thanks, CE will do fine for me, and I'm already trying out and getting used to OpnSense. There is a video on YT going through dozens of alternatives. As I said before, my experience is the registration process is pretty flaky, I had to request 3 licenses before my home Plus version would register.

                                            The company has established its reputation and character, what it stands for, how it treats the community. I tried looking on Ali Express, I could certainly buy an entire unit for about the price of a 1 year TAC Lite+ license, and their claims are that it is tested with pfSense Plus, and in other cases with pfSense 2.7, I don't see devices which say they come with pfSense Plus, so I'm wondering if Netgate would like to present any evidence of widespread, company-ruining, mass license fraud, I mean we must be talking tens of thousands of licenses or something, home and lab licenses can't have accounted for more than a few hundred real people here. Any fraudulent use of licenses is something Netgate, or any company, should have considered, should have monitored, should have nipped in the bud immediately, punishing us fans of pfSense is quite inappropriate. As we should remember pfSense is a community-created open-source project, currently maintained by Netgate, and whilst pfSense is forever, maintainers can come and go. And in this case causing such bad blood between what seems like greedy corporate knee-jerk reactions and a loyal community is exceptionally poor business practice. I'd suggest having another think.

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