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    SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure

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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @SteveITS
      last edited by johnpoz

      So My SG4860 is starting to get a bit long in the tooth.. These emmc failures, get me thinking I should prob move to ssd on my 4860 before an actual emmc failure.

      I was never able to figure out how get a reading of the current life or use of the emmc on the 4860..

      Looking at the instructions on how to add for the 4860..

      https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/solutions/sg-4860/msata-installation.html

      I don't seem to see any specifics for what would be a good model to use.. Other than what they show in the pictures.

      I take it this would work

      https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Information-Internal-Drives-TS128GMSA230S/dp/B07GMD5R7M?th=1

      Should prob order now, and then when 24.03 comes out would be a good time to make the switch over to it. Since it would be planned down time for me anyway.. And really shouldn't take that much longer to take it down install the ssd and install and restore backup.

      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
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      SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        Yup that should work.

        The eMMC on the 4860 doesn't support the tools to read the stat data unfortunately. I think because it's USB connected.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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          @stephenw10 yeah I think usb connected rings a bell..

          Ordering that now, and can switch over when 24.03 comes out..

          An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
          If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
          Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
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          • NogBadTheBadN
            NogBadTheBad @johnpoz
            last edited by NogBadTheBad

            @johnpoz It is:-

            Screenshot 2024-02-08 at 16.57.07.png

            I have the ADI PDF if you want a copy?

            Andy

            1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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            • dennypageD
              dennypage
              last edited by

              Not the ADI variant, but the Silicom version can be found here.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                I would expect them to be identical.

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
                  last edited by

                  The ssd should be here in a couple of days.. If I get ambitious, maybe move to it sooner.. But prob just wait til 24.03 comes out - which hopefully will be on schedule and not that far away ;)

                  An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                  If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                  Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    🤞

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
                      last edited by

                      @stephenw10 hahaha - yeah maybe I should knock on some wood when I put that out into the universe, hahahah

                      An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                      If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                      Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
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                      • NogBadTheBadN
                        NogBadTheBad @johnpoz
                        last edited by

                        @johnpoz Have you opened up your 4680 yet ?

                        The reseller in the UK opened up mine to put in the drive, when I opened it up to pop in a wireless card, one of the screws spins round in the case as its steel screw mating to an aluminium thread.

                        Bit of a design fault IMO.

                        Andy

                        1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          Hmm, not seen that myself. But those are small screws in to Alu as you say. Easy to over-torque if you're not careful or using the wrong tool.

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @NogBadTheBad
                            last edited by johnpoz

                            @NogBadTheBad Nope never even thought about opening it ;)

                            But this emmc failures got me thinking can't hurt to move to ssd, I don't currently have any plans of updating my 4860.. But for a few bucks and extra few minutes during what is normal down time anyway - if that "could maybe" give me a couple extra years before I have to pull the trigger on something new.. Well worth it I say.

                            I am still on the look out for my unicorn switch, since my sg300 is getting a bit long in the tooth as well.

                            Something that is multigig, like 24 some ports, fanless - very low power consumption, but also have a few poe ports to get rid of my injectors for my APs... For like couple hundred I would be all over it.. But seems like I am hunting unicorns with those wish list items - heheh

                            An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                            If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                            Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                            SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Yeah let me know if you find that switch. 😉

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
                                last edited by

                                @stephenw10 yeah... I think asking a bit much, especially at that price point, but I prob pull the trigger even that 400 something mark if it had all those features..

                                A few combo ports where I could put in sfp+ would be nice too since I am dreaming ;)

                                An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                                If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                                Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
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                                  azdeltawye @johnpoz
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                                  @johnpoz said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

                                  @stephenw10 yeah... I think asking a bit much, especially at that price point, but I prob pull the trigger even that 400 something mark if it had all those features..

                                  A few combo ports where I could put in sfp+ would be nice too since I am dreaming ;)

                                  If you're already invested in the UniFi ecosystem, their switches are great. I got one of these switches awhile back and it rocks!

                                  https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/unifi-switching-standard-power-over-ethernet/products/usw-24-poe

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                                  • johnpozJ
                                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @azdeltawye
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                                    @azdeltawye said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

                                    heir switches are great.

                                    That wouldn't be my opinion to be honest.. I have had no issues with their APs.. But their switches not so much..

                                    Do they have such a unicorn switch - I keep up with their product line.. And everyone of their switches feature sets and operation has been underwhelming to be honest.. And a high price point..

                                    An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools
                                    If you get confused: Listen to the Music Play
                                    Please don't Chat/PM me for help, unless mod related
                                    SG-4860 24.11 | Lab VMs 2.8, 24.11

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                                    • NogBadTheBadN
                                      NogBadTheBad @stephenw10
                                      last edited by

                                      @stephenw10 said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

                                      Yeah let me know if you find that switch. 😉

                                      And me.

                                      Andy

                                      1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                                        ms166
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                                        johnpoz is going for a Transcend TS128GMSA230S. I bought two Transcend TS240GMTS420S they seem to work fine, but for my others SG-5100 I wanted to choose the TS128GMTS430S (ECC enabled I belive) is there a "better" choice when choosing a SSD for the SG-5100?

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          @ms166 said in SG-5100 takes over 20 minutes to boot after eMMC failure:

                                          TS128GMTS430S

                                          That should work fine. I'm not sure how you might define 'better'. You could probably find an SLC drive with better write endurance etc. But it would be waaay more expensive!

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                                          • LarryFahnoeL
                                            LarryFahnoe
                                            last edited by LarryFahnoe

                                            After reading through this thread, my question is about a recommendation for an SSD for the new 4200. Also, I'm assuming that the mmc-utils mentioned https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/troubleshooting/disk-lifetime.html#emmc will work on the 4200?

                                            --Larry

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