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    • GertjanG
      Gertjan @belrpr
      last edited by

      @belrpr

      10.10.2.188 talks to 10.10.5.1 : these are /16 networks ?

      Probably not related, and tells about my ignorance :
      What is a "lagg" doing on a LAN ?
      ( link aggregation on a LAN ?)

      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        belrpr @Gertjan
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        @Gertjan
        The lan is /16. The guest is /24.
        I need 16 because I have a lot of domotica which resides on the network.
        I've used the lag for redundancy. If one cable is unplugged the other one will still serve both the lan and the guest network.

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        • GertjanG
          Gertjan @belrpr
          last edited by

          @belrpr

          I'm fine with all that.
          But let me ask this question : on a /24 non-VLAN interface, with ntp listening on that interface (also), it works for you ?

          No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @belrpr
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            @belrpr that sure is a lot of domotica ;) 65k some ips..

            Well it seems to answer 10.10.3.1 and .2 IPs..

            Do you have any ACLs set on the ntp server, do you have any rules in floating? The traffic from 2.188 gets to pfsense, but ntp doesn't answer so either it has a ACL via ntp setup, or you have a rule say in floating blocking it?

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by stephenw10

              You appear to be using a VLAN1 tagged interface which can be problematic. Wouldn't be specific to ntp though.

              Also it's common to find ntp using 123 as the source port as well as destination which means only one client can run at a time.

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              • GertjanG
                Gertjan @stephenw10
                last edited by

                @stephenw10 said in NTP server stopped working:

                Also it's common to find ntp using 123 as the source port as well as destination which means only one client can run at a time

                Nice catch. That explains the error I had with this ntptool :

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                That could really put me on the path where I had to repair something that wasn't broken.
                The windows native ntp client on the same PC was syncing just fine against pfSense.

                As I forgot to post m NTP ACL :

                65503cfe-785d-4b4d-b8ba-c04b5e7338a3-image.png

                No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                  belrpr @Gertjan
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                  @Gertjan
                  My acl's are exactly the same.

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                    belrpr @Gertjan
                    last edited by

                    @Gertjan I have the same problem on another pfsense and there there isn't a lag group with vlans.
                    There each interface is a fysical interface.

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      What exactly is failing?

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                        belrpr @stephenw10
                        last edited by

                        @stephenw10 NTP is not reacting on clients.
                        It is like it isn't running.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          You mean it's not replying to queries? What failure do you see at the client?

                          Do you see the queries in a pcap on pfSense?

                          Does it reply to local queries from pfSense itself like?:

                          [24.03-RELEASE][admin@fw1.stevew.lan]/root: ntpdate -q 127.0.0.1
                          server 127.0.0.1, stratum 1, offset +0.000087, delay 0.02589
                          14 Jun 13:40:09 ntpdate[16884]: adjust time server 127.0.0.1 offset +0.000087 sec
                          
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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @belrpr
                            last edited by

                            @belrpr you mean clients get no answer? Is pfsense seeing the traffic? is it actually listening on the IP your trying to talk to it? What are you firewall rules on this interface?

                            Do you have any rules in floating?

                            Have seen users create tcp rules, have seen policy routing above where they allow access to ntp, etc..

                            So you need to do some basic validation of what is actually going on to figure out what is wrong..

                            [23.09.1-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.home.arpa]/root: sockstat -4 | grep .123
                            root     ntpd       83745 21  udp4   192.168.9.253:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 24  udp4   192.168.2.253:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 27  udp4   192.168.3.253:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 30  udp4   192.168.200.1:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 32  udp4   192.168.7.253:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 35  udp4   127.0.0.1:123         *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 36  udp4   10.10.10.1:123        *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 38  udp4   192.168.4.253:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 40  udp4   192.168.6.253:123     *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 42  udp4   192.168.110.253:123   *:*
                            root     ntpd       83745 44  udp4   10.1.1.253:123        *:*
                            [23.09.1-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.home.arpa]/root: 
                            

                            I limited this to just IPv4 because no need to show my IPv6 GUA in an example.. With the -4 in the command.

                            Sniff to validate your clients traffic is getting to pfsense interface, is this interface tagged or native?

                            Lets see your firewall rules on the interface where traffic would be seen, etc.

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                              belrpr @stephenw10
                              last edited by belrpr

                              @stephenw10
                              Hi I use a tool called NTP Tool.
                              It sends the request but never gets an awnser.

                              Will do a pcap on pfsense but need to read some stuff about how to do that.
                              The local query works:

                              server 127.0.0.1, stratum 2, offset +0.000096, delay 0.02606
                              14 Jun 15:07:27 ntpdate[7221]: adjust time server 127.0.0.1 offset +0.000096 sec
                              

                              @johnpoz said in NTP server stopped working:

                              sockstat -4 | grep .123

                              The sockestat command gives:

                              root     ntpd       89229 22  udp4   127.0.0.1:123         *:*
                              root     ntpd       89229 24  udp4   10.10.5.1:123         *:*
                              root     ntpd       89229 26  udp4   172.16.3.1:123        *:*
                              
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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @belrpr
                                last edited by

                                @belrpr so that is good info.. Now you just need to validate that pfsense is actually seeing the query from your client.

                                What are your firewall rules on the interface, do you have any floating rules?

                                Sniff is easy enough, under diagnostic menu, packet capture.. Pick your interface and port 123 and then do your test from your client.. Do you see that in the packet capture..

                                packet.jpg

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                                • GertjanG
                                  Gertjan @belrpr
                                  last edited by

                                  @belrpr said in NTP server stopped working:

                                  Hi I use a tool called NTP Tool

                                  Hummmm.
                                  That does ring a bell.
                                  Stop using that tool.

                                  Use another 'tool'.
                                  Like this one :

                                  3eac78e8-b452-4fb8-a02e-91021a01f687-image.png

                                  ( my French GUI Micorsoft Windows classic Time settings - but you have the same, as the info is valid since windows 95.)

                                  I just synced with pfSense = 192.168.1.1 :

                                  0e87b656-b9e9-413e-a1b9-aa318e431579-image.png

                                  so my tool works.

                                  No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                                  Edit : and where are the logs ??

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