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Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?

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    joshgreyz
    last edited by joshgreyz Aug 1, 2024, 2:18 PM Aug 1, 2024, 2:17 PM

    The latest version of pfSense CE was 2.7.2, which was released last year on December 7, 2023.

    When looking at the pfSense Versions page, it's not clear if pfSense CE is continuing to be developed as I do see new releases of pfSense Plus listed there with the latest from April 23, 2024 and it is based upon FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT.

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      tinfoilmatt
      last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 2:21 PM

      https://redmine.pfsense.org/versions/74

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        AndyRH
        last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 2:27 PM

        Same question, is Window 11 abandoned, it was released in October 2021.
        Wait, they are both still patched.
        I withdraw the question...

        o||||o
        7100-1u

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          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 3:16 PM

          Check the source: https://github.com/pfsense/pfsense/commits/master/

          Last commit was yesterday. πŸ˜‰

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            joshgreyz
            last edited by joshgreyz Aug 1, 2024, 3:19 PM Aug 1, 2024, 3:18 PM

            Thank you @cyberconsultants & @stephenw10 for sharing those resources to answer my question.

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              joshgreyz @AndyRH
              last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 3:21 PM

              @AndyRH Windows in general should be abandoned...

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                Gertjan @joshgreyz
                last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 3:48 PM

                @joshgreyz

                The CE edition has a 'clone' that really looks like 2.7.2, and has somewhat more releases.
                It uses FreeBSD 15.0.
                Get pfSense Plus 24.03 ? 😊

                No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                  JonathanLee
                  last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 4:17 PM

                  Get Plus it is amazing with all the extra features, cloud backups, boot environments, packet flow data, the ability to get tac support for basic stuff.

                  Make sure to upvote

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                    SteveITS Galactic Empire @joshgreyz
                    last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 5:11 PM

                    @joshgreyz FYI: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/development/release-schedule.html

                    Pre-2.7.2/23.09: Only install packages for your version, or risk breaking it. Select your branch in System/Update/Update Settings.
                    When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
                    Upvote πŸ‘ helpful posts!

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                      nimrod
                      last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 5:41 PM

                      Its really amazing that we have these kind of threads almost every 6 months. @stephenw10 - you should create a compilation of "pfSense CE is dead / abandoned" threads for public shaming. 😁

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                        Patch @stephenw10
                        last edited by Aug 1, 2024, 8:25 PM

                        @stephenw10 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:

                        Check the source: https://github.com/pfsense/pfsense/commits/master/

                        Last commit was yesterday. πŸ˜‰

                        While that’s true none of that has been available to users for a long time.

                        Open source which can not be open source compiled, nor is a compiled version available is not open source.

                        Software with private documentation suggesting changes but not public access nor any plans for public access is also effectively not being updated.

                        Netgate action indicates the CE version is being killed as rapidly as they are able to.

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                          ahking19 @Patch
                          last edited by Aug 2, 2024, 7:23 PM

                          @Patch I suspect you're trolling here but I'll play along

                          your reference to a "long time" doesn't stand up to facts.
                          CE 2.7.2 was released 8 months ago in December 2023.

                          The System Patches package v2.2.11 released 2+ months in May 2024 included updates for CE

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                            Patch @ahking19
                            last edited by Patch Aug 3, 2024, 9:28 PM Aug 2, 2024, 11:10 PM

                            @ahking19 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:

                            your reference to a "long time" doesn't stand up to facts.

                            Imo there is a discrepancy between Netgate openly stated position and actions.

                            @stephenw10 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:

                            Last commit was yesterday. πŸ˜‰

                            @Patch said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:

                            Software with private documentation suggesting changes but not public access nor any plans for public access is also effectively not being updated.

                            Access to any v2.8 development snapshots have been disabled both within v2.7.2 and via https://www.pfsense.org/snapshots/ since late 2023. for further information see When will the CE 2.8.0 Development Snapshot be available? Sorry I don't have an exact date but access to v2.8 has been blocked for a "long time" compared to "Last commit was yesterday". It has been blocked for almost 2 major releases of the plus version.

                            The facts as I interpret them is Netgate is unofficially killing the CE version as fast as they are able to. The implications for new projects planning to use the CE version is put the time into a different software package (OPNsense if an open source product is desirable, consider the plus version if not). The implications for systems using the CE version is start planning a replacement as CE is end of life.

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                              coxhaus @Patch
                              last edited by coxhaus Aug 3, 2024, 1:46 PM Aug 3, 2024, 1:45 PM

                              @Patch
                              Opensense is too far behind. I would not even consider them. I want to be on the latest FreeBSD which is 15. Opensense is barely to FreeBSD 14 way behind.

                              Negate will figure out what they need to do to stop the Copyright pirates and then I will go with it. You just need to wait.

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                                ahking19 @Patch
                                last edited by Aug 3, 2024, 8:13 PM

                                @Patch while a free CE version did lead me to pfSense 15+ years ago, the project being open source is not a determining factor you me using pfSense. I want good software that works for me. Proprietary/Open/Free/Paid software are all in play for me.

                                Based on your understanding of the facts you have stated a path forward for your new projects. You don't agree with how the project is run. Okay. So why start this forum thread? How is this discussion productive? Move on.

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                                  Patch @ahking19
                                  last edited by Aug 3, 2024, 8:29 PM

                                  @ahking19 & @coxhaus
                                  Your points do not change the fact Netgate is making the CE edition end of life (which is the subject of this thread).

                                  Nor do your points change the appropriate options available to users: plan moving to a non EOL open source product such as OPNsense (for those users and developers who value open source) or move to one of the close source products for those users for which open source & the associated community is a low priority).

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                                    coxhaus @Patch
                                    last edited by Aug 4, 2024, 4:52 AM

                                    @Patch You have no idea what is going to happen in the future for Pfsense. I don't either. They are trying to stop the Copyright pirates so I don't think they will be handing out code until they figure it out.

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                                      Patch @coxhaus
                                      last edited by Aug 4, 2024, 7:17 AM

                                      @coxhaus said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:

                                      They are trying to stop the Copyright pirates

                                      Long term removal of all access to the run time for v2.8 is not method of piracy control, it is a method of accelerated killing the CE version.

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                                        whytf @ahking19
                                        last edited by Mar 11, 2025, 11:35 AM

                                        @ahking19 Pretty sure that time frame from December 2023 to March 2025 is "long time", if not, i'll kindly remind you in December 2025

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                                          ahking19 @whytf
                                          last edited by Mar 12, 2025, 4:39 AM

                                          @whytf I standby by my statement. When I made it, it had been 8 months since the last official new release. That is not a "long time" between releases.

                                          That doesn't include patches which are available in the System_Patches package or code committed towards the next release - https://redmine.pfsense.org/. Are we not counting either of these? New code doesn't count?

                                          So now we are at 15 months. A "long time"? Debatable. Sure, I would prefer a 12 month cadence. I think it seems longer because the CE users see the new features and updates the Plus users have been getting.

                                          Can you show me an open CVE?

                                          So show me proof that CE has been "adandoned". The OP doesn't like the direction the project is going. Okay, that's his opinion. Use any firewall product you want.

                                          Re: Dec 2025 - is that your bet? I'd take that bet. :-)

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