Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?
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Same question, is Window 11 abandoned, it was released in October 2021.
Wait, they are both still patched.
I withdraw the question...o||||o
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Check the source: https://github.com/pfsense/pfsense/commits/master/
Last commit was yesterday.
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Thank you @cyberconsultants & @stephenw10 for sharing those resources to answer my question.
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@AndyRH Windows in general should be abandoned...
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The CE edition has a 'clone' that really looks like 2.7.2, and has somewhat more releases.
It uses FreeBSD 15.0.
Get pfSense Plus 24.03 ?
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Get Plus it is amazing with all the extra features, cloud backups, boot environments, packet flow data, the ability to get tac support for basic stuff.
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@joshgreyz FYI: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/development/release-schedule.html
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Its really amazing that we have these kind of threads almost every 6 months. @stephenw10 - you should create a compilation of "pfSense CE is dead / abandoned" threads for public shaming.
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@stephenw10 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:
Check the source: https://github.com/pfsense/pfsense/commits/master/
Last commit was yesterday.
While that’s true none of that has been available to users for a long time.
Open source which can not be open source compiled, nor is a compiled version available is not open source.
Software with private documentation suggesting changes but not public access nor any plans for public access is also effectively not being updated.
Netgate action indicates the CE version is being killed as rapidly as they are able to.
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@Patch I suspect you're trolling here but I'll play along
your reference to a "long time" doesn't stand up to facts.
CE 2.7.2 was released 8 months ago in December 2023.The System Patches package v2.2.11 released 2+ months in May 2024 included updates for CE
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@ahking19 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:
your reference to a "long time" doesn't stand up to facts.
Imo there is a discrepancy between Netgate openly stated position and actions.
@stephenw10 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:
Last commit was yesterday.
@Patch said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:
Software with private documentation suggesting changes but not public access nor any plans for public access is also effectively not being updated.
Access to any v2.8 development snapshots have been disabled both within v2.7.2 and via https://www.pfsense.org/snapshots/ since late 2023. for further information see When will the CE 2.8.0 Development Snapshot be available? Sorry I don't have an exact date but access to v2.8 has been blocked for a "long time" compared to "Last commit was yesterday". It has been blocked for almost 2 major releases of the plus version.
The facts as I interpret them is Netgate is unofficially killing the CE version as fast as they are able to. The implications for new projects planning to use the CE version is put the time into a different software package (OPNsense if an open source product is desirable, consider the plus version if not). The implications for systems using the CE version is start planning a replacement as CE is end of life.
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@Patch
Opensense is too far behind. I would not even consider them. I want to be on the latest FreeBSD which is 15. Opensense is barely to FreeBSD 14 way behind.Negate will figure out what they need to do to stop the Copyright pirates and then I will go with it. You just need to wait.
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@Patch while a free CE version did lead me to pfSense 15+ years ago, the project being open source is not a determining factor you me using pfSense. I want good software that works for me. Proprietary/Open/Free/Paid software are all in play for me.
Based on your understanding of the facts you have stated a path forward for your new projects. You don't agree with how the project is run. Okay. So why start this forum thread? How is this discussion productive? Move on.
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@ahking19 & @coxhaus
Your points do not change the fact Netgate is making the CE edition end of life (which is the subject of this thread).Nor do your points change the appropriate options available to users: plan moving to a non EOL open source product such as OPNsense (for those users and developers who value open source) or move to one of the close source products for those users for which open source & the associated community is a low priority).
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@Patch You have no idea what is going to happen in the future for Pfsense. I don't either. They are trying to stop the Copyright pirates so I don't think they will be handing out code until they figure it out.
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@coxhaus said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:
They are trying to stop the Copyright pirates
Long term removal of all access to the run time for v2.8 is not method of piracy control, it is a method of accelerated killing the CE version.
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@ahking19 Pretty sure that time frame from December 2023 to March 2025 is "long time", if not, i'll kindly remind you in December 2025
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@whytf I standby by my statement. When I made it, it had been 8 months since the last official new release. That is not a "long time" between releases.
That doesn't include patches which are available in the System_Patches package or code committed towards the next release - https://redmine.pfsense.org/. Are we not counting either of these? New code doesn't count?
So now we are at 15 months. A "long time"? Debatable. Sure, I would prefer a 12 month cadence. I think it seems longer because the CE users see the new features and updates the Plus users have been getting.
Can you show me an open CVE?
So show me proof that CE has been "adandoned". The OP doesn't like the direction the project is going. Okay, that's his opinion. Use any firewall product you want.
Re: Dec 2025 - is that your bet? I'd take that bet. :-)
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@ahking19 said in Is pfSense Community Edition abandoned?:
@whytf I standby by my statement. When I made it, it had been 8 months since the last official new release. That is not a "long time" between releases.
That doesn't include patches which are available in the System_Patches package or code committed towards the next release - https://redmine.pfsense.org/. Are we not counting either of these? New code doesn't count?
So now we are at 15 months. A "long time"? Debatable. Sure, I would prefer a 12 month cadence. I think it seems longer because the CE users see the new features and updates the Plus users have been getting.
Can you show me an open CVE?
So show me proof that CE has been "adandoned". The OP doesn't like the direction the project is going. Okay, that's his opinion. Use any firewall product you want.
Re: Dec 2025 - is that your bet? I'd take that bet. :-)
They dont know what they want. They want updates for the sake of updates. System patches packages is just not doing it for them because its too small, too fast, and not much is happening while applying. They want to see stuff getting downloaded and installed. They want to see a progress bar while updating, and version numbers changing. Thats the only indicator for them that CE version is "getting the love it needs". If none of these things are happening at least once a month, that means CE version is abandoned. No one want to use a firewall that receives no updates and just works. That is boring.
People are amazing.
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When all I ask is a simple question and it's met with both anger and false accusations about me - how unfortunate.
You'll see from https://forum.netgate.com/topic/196346/questions-about-the-future-of-pfsense-2-7-ce that I'm not the only person in the world asking these questions about CE and its future.
