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    Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?

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      mer
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      "Hey Siri, how do I know that I've done a successful April Fools joke?" Siri says "when people suffering from a data to keyboard malfuction think you are serious".

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        Jarhead @AndyRH
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        @AndyRH said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

        @Jarhead The page does not clearly state it is a joke, so these posts from people running across it will continue for years.

        True but that would defeat the purpose of the post.
        I meant all you have to do is a quick search here and it's been clarified.

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          Dobby_ @joshgreyz
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          @joshgreyz

          Only someone from the Netgate Team will be able to answer this question.

          #~. @Dobby

          Turris Omnia - 4 Ports - 2 GB RAM / TurrisOS 7 Release (Btrfs)
          PC Engines APU4D4 - 4 Ports - 4 GB RAM / pfSense CE 2.7.2 Release (ZFS)
          PC Engines APU6B4 - 4 Ports - 4 GB RAM / pfSense+ (Plus) 24.03_1 Release (ZFS)

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            joshgreyz
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            LOL LOL LOL - let's make jokes at everyone's expense - good job everyone!

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              jpv9 @AndyRH
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              @AndyRH
              As of Sept 2024, I am still getting questioned about this post from clients. Netgate needs to put a postscript on the original post in stating this was an April Fool's Joke if it really is one.

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              • AndyRHA
                AndyRH @jpv9
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                @jpv9 Two things will always be true:

                1. Not everyone is gifted with communication.
                2. Not everyone can tell a joke.

                Netgate could use improvement in these areas.

                o||||o
                7100-1u

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                  jwt Netgate @jpv9
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                  @jpv9 what if it wasn’t a joke?

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @jwt
                    last edited by johnpoz

                    @jwt you are a rascal Jim.. Lets just go along with the gag, and it wasn't a joke.. Then April 1 was a horrible choice for making it public ;)

                    Looking forward to next April fools - this one is going to be hard to top - heheh

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                      nimrod @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                      @jwt you are a rascal Jim.. Lets just go along with the gag, and it wasn't a joke.. Then April 1 was a horrible choice for making it public ;)

                      Looking forward to next April fools - this one is going to be hard to top - heheh

                      What do you mean its hard? Just say that CE version is getting canceled.

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                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @nimrod
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                        @nimrod said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                        Just say that CE version is getting canceled

                        Hahah - that would be good one, but we already get so many people thinking that is true anyway..

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                          nimrod @johnpoz
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                          @johnpoz

                          Yeah. But just imagine the amount of "i told you so" comments.

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                            jwt Netgate @nimrod
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                            @nimrod said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                            @johnpoz

                            Yeah. But just imagine the amount of "i told you so" comments.

                            Right?

                            So why give them what they want?

                            Netgate is the #3 contributor of sponsored commits to freebsd over the past 3 years.

                            bash-3.2$ git remote -v
                            origin	https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd.git (fetch)
                            origin	https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd.git (push)
                            bash-3.2$ git branch
                              list
                            * main
                              master
                            bash-3.2$ git log --first-parent --since=3year | sed  -E 's/\^.\*Sponsored.\[Bb\]y:\[\[:space:\]\]\*//p' | grep -i Sponsored  | sed s/.*[Ss]ponsored\ [Bb]y://| awk '{$1=$1};1' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head -20
                            3344 The FreeBSD Foundation
                            1569 Netflix
                             807 Rubicon Communications, LLC ("Netgate")
                             616 Klara, Inc.
                             448 Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG
                             358 Chelsio Communications
                             357 Arm Ltd
                             314 Juniper Networks, Inc.
                             266 NVIDIA Networking
                             152 Netflix, Inc.
                             130 NetApp, Inc.
                             130 Innovate UK
                             122 DARPA
                             103 Stormshield
                              91 Axcient
                              71 Dell EMC Isilon
                              64 https://www.patreon.com/cperciva
                              64 Serenity Cyber Security, LLC
                              59 Intel Corporation
                              51 NVidia networking
                            bash-3.2$ 
                            

                            and note that this misses 7 commits that are

                            Rubicon Communications, LLC (Netgate)

                            instead of

                            Rubicon Communications, LLC ("Netgate")

                            which uniq sees as a different string.

                            If you back off to 5 years (just prior to the pandemic) it's even more dramatic

                            bash-3.2$ git log --first-parent --since=5year | sed  -E 's/\^.\*Sponsored.\[Bb\]y:\[\[:space:\]\]\*//p' | grep -i Sponsored  | sed s/.*[Ss]ponsored\ [Bb]y://| awk '{$1=$1};1' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head
                            5437 The FreeBSD Foundation
                            2079 Netflix
                            1079 Rubicon Communications, LLC ("Netgate")
                             729 Klara, Inc.
                             664 Chelsio Communications
                             448 Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG
                             357 DARPA
                             357 Arm Ltd
                             330 Juniper Networks, Inc.
                             306 NetApp, Inc.
                            bash-3.2$ 
                            
                            

                            and

                            bash-3.2$ git log --first-parent --since=5year | sed  -E 's/\^.\*Sponsored.\[Bb\]y:\[\[:space:\]\]\*//p' | grep -i Sponsored  | sed s/.*[Ss]ponsored\ [Bb]y://| awk '{$1=$1};1' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | grep -i netgate
                            1079 Rubicon Communications, LLC ("Netgate")
                              50 Rubicon Communications, LLC (Netgate)
                              31 Rubicon Communications, LLC (netgate.com)
                              20 Rubicon Communications, LLC (d/b/a "Netgate")
                               6 Sponsored-by: Rubicon Communications, LLC ("Netgate")
                               3 Rubicon Communications, LLC (“Netgate”’)
                               2 Netgate, Inc.
                               1 Rubicon LLC, (Netgate)
                               1 Netgate
                            
                            

                            We have a lot of changes to pf coming in that are still in review. This is just some of them.

                            https://reviews.freebsd.org/p/kp/

                            So the question I wish people would ask: "Why would Netgate still be investing heavily in FreeBSD if they were just going to abandon it like people say?"

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                              jwt Netgate @jwt
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                              @jwt said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                              https://reviews.freebsd.org/p/kp/

                              Coincidentally, we're also a big contributor to VPP

                              https://www.stackalytics.io/unaffiliated?module=github.com/fdio/vpp

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                                JonathanLee
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                                April fools joke

                                Make sure to upvote

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                                  Patch @jwt
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                                  @jwt said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                                  we're also a big contributor to VPP

                                  For those (like me) not familiar with VPP https://github.com/FDio/vpp

                                  Vector Packet Processing
                                  The VPP platform is an extensible framework that provides out-of-the-box production quality switch/router functionality. It is the open source version of Cisco's Vector Packet Processing (VPP) technology

                                  Which runs on Linux https://wiki.fd.io/view/VPP/What_is_VPP%3F

                                  The VPP platform supports package installation on the following operating systems:

                                  Debian
                                  Ubuntu 16.04
                                  Centos 7.3
                                  

                                  So likely the underlying engine for TNSR

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                                    SteveITS Galactic Empire @Patch
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                                    @Patch said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                                    So likely the underlying engine for TNSR

                                    Bit more than likely:)
                                    https://www.netgate.com/tnsr

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                                      jwt Netgate @johnpoz
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                                      @johnpoz said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                                      @nimrod said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                                      Just say that CE version is getting canceled

                                      Hahah - that would be good one, but we already get so many people thinking that is true anyway..

                                      ... so what we announce is that the CE version is not being canceled, on April 1, 2025. 😁

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                                        jwt Netgate @SteveITS
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                                        @SteveITS said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                                        @Patch said in Will Netgate keep developing pfSense on FreeBSD or is the switch to Linux going to be for all Netgate platforms?:

                                        So likely the underlying engine for TNSR

                                        Bit more than likely:)
                                        https://www.netgate.com/tnsr

                                        Quite.

                                        We've been working with, advancing and fixing VPP since April / May 2016. We know a lot about it.

                                        Most recently we've ported NetBSD's 'npf' to VPP, enabled (and fixed) the Snort plugin (so we have IDS/IPS via Snort) and written a (OpenVPN) DCO driver for VPP.

                                        These all show up in TNSR 24.10.

                                        So maybe we're putting VPP in as a very high-performance dataplane for this joke-that-might-not-be-a-joke pfSense on linux?

                                        "Wait!", I hear you say, "VPP runs on FreeBSD now!"

                                        Dude(s), have you looked at the performance? There are issues beyond that, too.

                                        If we wanted VPP on FreeBSD it would have occurred years ago.

                                        Anyway, that is is today's secret decoder ring. (Be sure to drink your Ovaltine!)

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                                          JKnott @jwt
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                                          @jpv9 what if it wasn’t a joke?

                                          I say it's a joke son! 😉

                                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                          I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                            nimrod @jwt
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                                            @jwt

                                            I still cant wrap my head around the fact that Netflix is number 2 contributor.

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